About the Lane Tracking System in Ets 2 and the dangers it poses

[ayvishan]

First of all, hello everyone ,

 

As you know, a new update has arrived for Euro Trucks Simulator 2, the name of this update is 1.50.

There is a feature in this Update that many people will be interested in and perhaps actively use:

Lane Tracking System.

I am among these people, I turned it on from the settings to try this feature. There is only one condition for the feature to be active: You must drive your vehicle at a speed of 50 (maybe 55, I don't remember exactly right now, but most likely 55) km/h or above.This feature automatically activates when it reaches this speed. So far so nice. However, from what I have observed, there are times when he gets a little close to leaving the lane, sometimes even a little out of the lane (there are also times when he gets out of the lane enough to cause an accident). Generally, he intervenes in the steering wheel only once. And as far as I know, the steering sensitivity of the lane tracking system cannot be adjusted.  Well what does it mean? We have to use manual sensitivity adjustment 

One of the problems comes into play at this point. 

Since the steering sensitivity setting of this system is very low, it drifts out of the lane even when there are very few bends. This naturally means an accident.  When he leaves his lane, he has trouble holding on to the next lane and literally crashes into the wall.

 

There is also this detail:

When Lane Keeping Assist is activated, it checks whether we are signaling. This feature is truly a masterpiece because it works smoothly. But first let me give you a little background on how it works.

If we give our signal, the truck will not intervene if it goes in the direction we signaled, so signaling and changing lanes will be successful. The main reason why this system works smoothly lies here.

This system is currently very poor at keeping the truck in the lane 

 

Let me give an example with a small video on a slightly winding road, I do not touch the steering wheel so we can see how the Lane Keeping Assist works. The speed limit where I am is 80 km, but I kept the vehicle at 60 km in case they claim that the truck did not stay in the lane because it was at high speeds. The minimum speed required for this feature to work is 55 km.

 

As you can see, if I had not intervened with the steering wheel at the last moment, I would have had an accident. I don't know yet whether this system has the ability to adjust the steering sensitivity. If there is, I would appreciate it if you could tell me, because I couldn't see it when I looked, I might have missed it. But otherwise, I think they should introduce this system for healthier use, so that everyone can adjust the steering sensitivity appropriate to themselves. 

 

To summarize, the Lane Tracking Assistant is obvious, you see its example in the video. I think we can solve this by adjusting the steering sensitivity of the Lane Keeping Assistant, because in general the assistant only intervenes in the steering once before leaving the lane. And since it is a very soft touch, it poses a danger in areas with slight bends and traffic.There are also cases where he leaves the lane, which definitely means an accident.

 

But of course there is a solution to these problems!

 

• When Lane Keeping Assist is active, do not give up control of the vehicle by relying on this system.

 

So should this feature be used in TruckersMP?

If I were to express my opinion, considering that this system was developed and used in this way; 

Since this is a feature of the Game itself, they may not be able to make a removal/restriction decision. However, while some people in the game may knowingly cause accidents, this creates the possibility that they may completely abandon driving safety when using this system. This clearly causes the accident, as seen in the video. It is very dangerous to give all control to this system when there are people in the game who knowingly cause accidents.And these people may show the following behavior:

If they leave the screen, even for a short time, they no longer have the ability to detect and brake the vehicle in front of them. However, the security of using such a system leaves a question mark in mind. Naturally, they will have accidents again. That is, even if the assistant manages to stay in the lane.

 

Apart from this, there is also

 

While the feature is on and we intervene, etc. The system continues to work, meaning it takes away our steering control. Accident prevention etc. We may not even be able to prevent a possible accident because our control in such situations will be in danger.

Additionally, when we encounter someone using the feature: When the control is in the system, we make a counter move, thinking that the oncoming person may hit us even if he leaves the lane (It may be completely, it may be very little), we make a counter move such as defense. Although there is no risk of accident during these moves, a new risk of accident may arise.

 

I wish everyone safe, careful and enjoyable driving. For the reasons I mentioned above, we will need to focus more on safe driving because the risks are higher than ever!

What are your thoughts and opinions on this subject? 

 

Best Regards,

leyost

[Agricultor [PT]]

Hi @leyost,

How are you?

 

I haven't tested the new update yet because I want to test it on TruckersMP, but thanks for your feedback.

I believe that the less positive points you mention will be corrected soon.
 

I'll take your topic into account as soon as I've tested the new version.
 

Thanks for this thread,

Regards and Good KMs  

[ayvishan]

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Hi @Agricultor [PT]

 

I'm fine, thank you for asking. I hope you are well and in good spirits, my friend. Like you, I wanted to try TruckersMP, but when I saw that the game had started to be updated, I did not get involved yet. After examining etc. Then I'll take it back so I can play TMP. I'm glad the topic contains enough information to give you an idea, I hope it gets better.

 

[Granite]

Lane keeping support is not an auto pilot! 

You are not supposed to take your hands off of a steering wheel.

All it does is that it gently steers back into the centre of the lane if it detects that you are too close to the edge.

It absolutely does not take over the control of the vehicle, you as a driver are still 100% responsible for control of your vehicle and your own steering input overrides it.

What we see in the video is simply driver-less truck leaving a lane in a bend that was little too much for the lane assist to handle.

If you think this system will steer for you while you do whatever with your hands, you are gravely mistaken.

[ayvishan]

'3

 

Hello yes. It's nice to have the same thought '3

[Guest]

Its partially correct and partially incorrect. SCS will need sometime to get it fixed properly.

[whitE.png]

Hello.
 

I haven't tested this update because TruckersMP doesn't support it yet, but from what you said and your video (great choice of music :D) I got an idea, thank you for that.
 

However, I don't think like you because I think it's important to remember that this is just a lane keep assist and not an autopilot, if this feature would allow you to stay in the lane at all, most drivers would take their hands off the steering wheel and do something else. I have also traveled with trucks many times in real life and this feature is available on many new trucks and in most of them, drivers prefer only to give warnings because the interventions of the assistant can sometimes cause an accident. I would also like to say that I respect your opinion.
 

whitE

[ayvishan]

3 hours ago, InsanoDeath said:

Its partially correct and partially incorrect. SCS will need sometime to get it fixed properly.

hi, It will definitely improve over time, at least I hope so

[lucas109011]

While everyone is saying it's not autopilot, and rightfully so, lane assist in vehicles in real life works a lot better than this so there is lots of room for improvement for SCS in my opinion.

[jess.thetrain]

I am 99% sure that this is supposed to help you stay in lane, not do it all for you. You will need to do most of the work yourself, but if you lose focus for a moment it will definitely help out.

[ayvishan]

First of all, hello, although some people understand me, some people misunderstand me 

For this reason, I thought I would write a statement. Namely, I know that this feature cannot be used as an autopilot 

Today, however, lane keeping assist is better able to

In the same way, I wanted to express that people who deliberately endanger people's driving in the game can use it as if it were autopilot, as an example of behavior 

 

For example, instead of pulling over when he goes to drink water, he can completely immerse himself in this system. 

 

Best regard

leyost

[C1em]

ACC is not available in TMP

[Mirror Knight]

Its partially correct and partially incorrect. SCS will need sometime to get it fixed properly.

[THE3DDDX]

It can only be used as a driving aid. Just like in reality, you can't completely hand over to an intelligent driving system.

[KittyYiouo]

On 5/14/2024 at 5:48 PM, Agricultor [PT] said:

because I want to test it on TruckersMP

I updated to 1.50 and i'm prob playing there in SP until they release an update adapting to that vers, and i've found that even AIs drive better than some of those ppl online 

On 5/17/2024 at 5:37 AM, Truckers / 3D said:

you can't completely hand over to an intelligent driving system.

Just like FSD beta from Tesla, they still ask for "minimal human supervision" 

[Granite]

On 5/19/2024 at 11:21 PM, Revival-003[TessaYiOvO] said:

Just like FSD beta from Tesla, they still ask for "minimal human supervision" 

IRL, if you take your hands off of a steering wheel, active lane assist is automatically deactivated, so not exactly minimal supervision as in the case of (not 100% reliable?) tesla autopilot.

[VIP der Psychiatrie]

I think the system as far as it is, is working as intended, ofc it needs improvements. I have expierenced the very early days of lane assist in cars or trucks irl and it was and is hooorriffic even today, if you wonder why people are indicating to get back on their right lane after overtaking, that system at times will keep you in oncoming traffic even if you´re on the wrong side of the road because it can´t distinguish, it just sees a lane. I have not tried it yet in ETS but from what I am seeing they did a damn good job this far. 

[FreemanLT]

On 5/23/2024 at 7:23 PM, VIP der Psychiatrie said:

I think the system as far as it is, is working as intended, ofc it needs improvements. I have expierenced the very early days of lane assist in cars or trucks irl and it was and is hooorriffic even today, if you wonder why people are indicating to get back on their right lane after overtaking, that system at times will keep you in oncoming traffic even if you´re on the wrong side of the road because it can´t distinguish, it just sees a lane. I have not tried it yet in ETS but from what I am seeing they did a damn good job this far. 

Yeah totally, it works as intended, at least for now. They now have base for a such thing as lane assistant and can continue improving this feature. Everything starts from something, it is probably one of these features which I won't use often, but it's better than nothing I guess, lol.

[McGarrettDK]

1. It only works with a steering wheel WITH mechanical force feedback
2. You have to asign a botton to activate the mode
3. You have to have the right truck
4. you have to adjust several parameters
5. TruckersMP does not support ETS2 1.50

To me a pile of junk... only half finished  

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