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I want to ask a question... I was Banned For Permanent For my nametag on tmp... And the admin said to change the tag and make an appeal.. Then he will unban me.. I do the same thing and also unbanned.. We know that if a ban appeal is accepted the history of his punishment also removed from his profile.. But my question is as my appeal was accepted why not they remove the punishment history?? why it's show's on my punishment history?? I Want to know that..
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I wonder why, some punishments are marked by red, yellow, green?
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Please do read the whole text as it contains important factors and arguments which are being stated, so you don't reply the same thing which have already been covered in this topic. I'm pretty sure many of you will recognise similar suggestions like this, as they have been discussed alot in the past, but then also unfortunately rejected. I just want to add some points and opinions, including the goal of it hopefully being looked at in a/several different perspective(s) which I'll try my best to lift up. _______ Suggestion Name: Ban history removals/indicators - Suggestion | Discussion Suggestion Description: So, if you're not already familiar with this suggestion, it is about removing bans from your punishment history* after a period of time, proven innocence, wrong ban, etc. - this suggestion is a bit more general, I don't have any spesific method I prefer to lift up in this to remove/indicate bans from/on the history. I support all of those listed. But to start off, I've been supporting this suggestion in several topics being made about it, but they've been unfortunately rejected as said. One thing which I recognised in all of those other suggestions, was that there were no reason given behind the rejection. Feel free to read through them as I will include some statements and arguments into this topic; A few other topics does also exist which involves this case.. When you read through those suggestions, you notice that they're a bit different. But it's the same concept - something to indicate that the bans you've got does not count anymore. Or a system which removes such bans (which I prefer), and then of course only staff can see them, but also then a indication which shows that the ban has expired. Here are some arguments against this listed with a quote of mine; "Users can judge other people because of history, so what? You or me or anyone else can be judged by anyone but when judging, you have to know your limits." - When someone judges me, I don't want a ban to be there even though it has been there for a long time, and I know it has expired. But I've then of course changed. Just the fact that it shows Banned on the profile makes the person who happens to "judge" regocnise it easily and instantly get this to their thoughts: "this person has done something bad - this person may not be a good person". And that gives an automatic sense of how the person can be, which can happen without that the person or the group who are judging, knows it. And then the argument is stating that judging is on each and everyones personal opinion, and they should know their limits - Yes, it's a personal case, I agree with that. But for example a VTC or any other sort of group or community, and of course the general interference on my profile will automatically not be as positive as it would if it were to say; "User has no penalties on record". It's about principle, people change, and there's lots and lots of amazing people who has bans on their profile (which they have of course learnt from), and then they can't prove it (talking about profile visualization) regardless of how nice and polite person they might be now. It's all about the "possibilty" and "motivational" words I try to focus on here. That's what I think is wrong and should be considered. But the most important thing of all; discussed on, since as mentioned, the previous suggestions above didn't have any concrete reason why it got rejected (then from a staff member). And then you can ask, how does it affect me if someone thinks anything about me taking count from my ban(s)? Well, you want in the first place to come forward as a good person (as I assume most would want to), and in some cases were your applying for VTCs, that could be a factor affecting the result. "But what about the trolls, how can someone > VTC know if the person happens to be a troll when his/her bans are gone?" - First of all, the bans are of course shown to staff members, so if it happens to be an official team recruitment in TMP, they can see it (but then also an indication as mentioned above which visualizes that the ban(s) is/are expired) which is also being practised now. But if it happens not to be an official TMP recruitment round and a VTC has to look at it, how can they know? Well, if a troll is trolling or is planning to, then it's obvious that he/she will get/high chance of getting banned after the actions, and then of course the bans will be extended in such situations - just as the system is operating now. So, if the applicant for whatever happens to be a troll, he/she will either be banned or get noticed by it (TMP admins/staff) - no major drawback (from my view). "When the bans are forever recorded and publicly shown on the punishment history, it will help prevent more trolls appearing and make people taking it generally more serious." - It's a valid argument, that's for sure. But I believe when you actually get punished, that makes alot more impact one a person, than just having a history record on the profile. Because the trolls doesn't care about the history anyway, so who is it for then? And then it is something I disagree with that spesific argument - It's impossible for someone to prove to be a good person or have learnt from it. It stays there forever and can't be changed. That's the one thing which comes back all the time as the main argument I have, and what I believe many others also have - ability to change/prove Any example images: Nope Why should it be added?: So to have a summed up version: there's really no need to have bans forever publicly shown as bans, without any indication or removal which tells that the user has no bans or has some bans expired (as I can think of and what I assume many others do too) And it gives the people chance and motivation to change. I remember when I got banned, it was ok, I learned from it and I moved on, and wasn't really a big deal for me. But when I noticed the permament recorded ban on my profile, it instantly gave me a bad look on myself, and I felt like a bad person - which I could then not change or prove with the concrete removal/indication of a ban. I've now of course recovered from that little experience And in the end, what's the drawbacks on this? Is it really necessary to not implement a system going for this, does it hurt or hold back anything? That's what I also don't understand. *Punishment history shown from my own TruckersMP profile - vizualisation purpose Before I end this text, I just want to say that this has nothing to do with my punishment history. It's about the princples I'm supporting, and that I want this discussion to have some progress. So that was the suggestion and what I had to bring up/add on from others. I'm aware of that this has been rejected before, but as mentioned, without any concrete reason I can notice. So I might just get a valid or obvious reason on why it's like this. But of course, my main goal and what I want is it to be considered and hopefully maybe implemented in some way - if this happens to be valid. I'm really interested in responses and arguments for this, and of course what you in the TruckersMP staff mean and have to say. So please do post what you support/mean, and what I might have said wrong or something else which proves me wrong. - - - Thanks
