[LKW Tr.] Dman [LET] Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Suggestion Name: Public Ban Appeals Suggestion Description: Whenever you get a punishment/ban appealed, it should be posted above your ban on your profile as an update. Example Images: N/A Why it Should Be Added: Because all that shows is a ban on your record and it doesn't show how you may have proven it wrong. It might also make you look worse during "recruitment sessions" if those are even a thing. If bans are visible to the public, why wouldn't ban appeals be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Hello @[LKW Tr.] Dman [LET], I have to inform you that your suggestion will most likely be declined because you do not use the mandatory format which has to be followed: A fitting title. A description of what the suggestion is about. A reason why it should be added/removed/changed. Any eventual example images or similar. If possible, change that by editing your topic or add the necessary content in another reply. Thank you for your understanding. Kind regards, AnriandorTruckersMP Moderator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[LKW Tr.] Dman [LET] Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) ^ Thank you, I thought it automatically did that. My mistake. Edited July 14, 2017 by Anriandor Removed unnecessary quotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwait Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 This sounds like an already existing system where incorrect bans are deleted and have a red circle on user's TruckersMP profile. If you are talking about the content of a ban appeal being made public, it can contain private information and it is only relevant to the person who was banned and the administrator who banned them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[LKW Tr.] Dman [LET] Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 @gwait Mine has a yellow dot. What exactly does that mean?https://truckersmp.com/user/142543 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 @[LKW Tr.] Dman [LET] It means old punishment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwait Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 It means that the ban expired over a year ago and it wouldn't count towards the "x offences within the past year" ban rule. I don't have access to your account information so I can't exactly tell you why the ban was deactivated when it seems to have been initially applied permanently. If you resolved it via a ban appeal and it was meant to be deleted (technology available now), you can try contacting upper staff via the email and they will look into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RapidFellow Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 No, no and no. 11 minutes ago, [LKW Tr.] Dman [LET] said: If bans are visible to the public, why wouldn't ban appeals be? In my opinion, even the bans should be visible for staff only cause it is a violation of the dignity. But back to topic. I think it's good that at least the appeals are not public. There has to be a possibility to talk to an admin without overyone is watching, and actually the appeal system is the only way to do so. Just imagine (comparison!!!) you're at school and you did something wrong (doesn't matter what, there are enough rules you could break). Now imagine, the director is making an announce: "Pupil xyz has broken the rules" and tells the whole school what you have done. But that's not enough, now you go to the director and try to explain that it was just a joke and you would like to apologize and so on... but he is telling you: "If you want to apologize, do it in a way the whole school can listen. Ouch. That's embarassing. It's a simple comparison with only one difference: if you make a public ban appeal, not only your school can read it. Everyone can. Do you really want that? I don't. -1 dot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[LKW Tr.] Dman [LET] Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 @gwait ok thank you. What rank of staff should I contact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwait Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 You don't contact a specific rank. There is a specified "upper staff" email address that you can contact them via. Further information is found here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sysgen Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 The is no point in contacting the PM's, you were banned in 2015 and the ban will remain, bans do not get removed. Only you and admins can see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[LKW Tr.] Dman [LET] Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 @DrEGZo Yeah I get what you're saying, but if the whole school knew why I was punished (the ban), I would also want them to know why it was a false punishment (the ban appeal). I'm saying that the ban and the ban appeal should either be both public or both private. I'm not saying that every single content of the ban appeal should be public, since there is some personal info is on there, it should be everything besides the personal info (reason why it's being appealed & possibly the explanation made in the appeal). @Sysgen I thought bans were public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sysgen Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Only the last 4, I think, and the public ones, some can be marked as inactive and you won't see those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[LKW Tr.] Dman [LET] Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 @DrEGZo It's not an apology, it's proof that the ban was false @Sysgen so how do I know if my ban is marked as inactive? 3 minutes ago, [LKW Tr.] Dman [LET] said: @Sysgen so how do I know if my ban is marked as inactive? Is it the yellow dot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sysgen Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 It has a yellow dot besides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RapidFellow Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Last 5 @Sysgen @[LKW Tr.] Dman [LET] Yeah, I think you convinced me. But if I had the choice I would prefer this: 7 minutes ago, [LKW Tr.] Dman [LET] said: or both private and yes, I know it has been suggested many times before. This is just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[LKW Tr.] Dman [LET] Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 @DrEGZo agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sysgen Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 There are two kinds of appeals, the ones where a players makes an appeal and the admin decides to lower the ban length, the ban is not removed and remains on your profile. The other is the player makes an appeal, the admin notices he banned the wrong player or misinterpreted the situation by reviewing his video. The ban is remove and replaced by @BANBYMISTAKE. In the first scenario, it remains public, in the second, only you and TruckersMP team can see it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[LKW Tr.] Dman [LET] Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 @Sysgen ok, then in that case I still request that bans and ban appeals are either both public or both private Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sysgen Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Appeals will never be public, you do not want to see what is said in there sometimes!!! You really do not ! Some nasty stuff ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the bored hermit Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 I do not think this is a good idea due to multiple reasons the staff have access to it and they are the ones that deal the bans and review the appeals if the public is looking it may cause arguments. The staff members are great at what they do it should stay staff only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[LKW Tr.] Dman [LET] Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 @Sysgen Like I said, not every content of the ban appeal should be public due to the personal things that are said. I'm just requesting that the appeal reason, and any other non personal information is publicized. Or the ban and ban appeal could both be private. I just do not like how you can only see the ban and not the reason why it was appealed. @the bored hermit Exactly, but there are only three choices: Have bans and appeals both public, both private, or the ban is public and the appeal is private The last choice being the worst, but is what we have set currently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sysgen Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 But if the appeal is accepted the ban is removed so I don't see your point, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwait Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 So other than just "why wouldn't ban appeals be [public]?" and "I just do not like how you can only see the ban and not the reason why it was appealed.", do you have any other reasons on why making them both public would be better than the current system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[LKW Tr.] Dman [LET] Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 @Sysgen You said that the appeal can either do nothing, lower the length of the ban, or completely disregard the ban and if the ban length is lowered, the ban is still public. I'm saying that if the ban length was lowered due to a ban appeal, the ban appeal should be publicized aswell @gwait 5 minutes ago, gwait said: do you have any other reasons on why making them both public would be better than the current system? Yes, "Because all that shows is a ban on your record and it doesn't show how you may have proven it wrong. It might also make you look worse during "recruitment sessions" if those are even a thing. If bans are visible to the public, why wouldn't ban appeals be?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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