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Hi, i have a triple loggingtrailer which works just fine in TMP ( picture attached ). Never a problem of any kind and I can enjoy it as much as i please, but recently I went into "build trailers to oblivion"-mode and made this one: https://imgur.com/a/bQJfIL4 . 

 

I tried to attach both on this site, but wasn't allowed. 

 

So this new one is nearly as identical as the first working one. Only diffrence for the first two trailers is that the second trailer on my newest loggingtrailer is a 4 axle with hook, instead of 3 axle with one lift and one steerable, one more axle, and that last trailer has a "standalone" dolly(?). Even if I change configuration for my new loggingtrailer to 3x3 and 3 on last small dolly+trailer is still gives me "excessive trailer" and kicked from online.

 

These two trailers are just as long ( measured with my eyes, could differ by a centimeter or two ), and technically there is only 3 trailers per combo. Does the dolly screw me over, since new trailer now got 4 "dollys" instead of 3? 

 

I really wanna get this new loggingtrailer to work since it's more agile, looks cooler and it is generally right up my alley. Any help would be grateful. 

 

Sorry for bad english, not used to english terms of these kind of things. 

 

Thanks in advance. 

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Greetings,

Before there were limitations in terms of the length of the trailers or the amount of these.

Here you have a post where they appear and explain more in detail:

 

Now since the rules related to save-editing were updated, it is not specified if there is a maximum number of trailers that can be carried or the maximum length allowed or at least I could not find them.

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Your trailer violates rules:

 

 §5.1 - Server Auto Kicks

Too many trailers - Using a modified trailer combination with more than 3 parts for ETS2 or 5 parts for ATS will cause the server to kick you, regardless of location on the map.

 

Explanation:

Dolly (or pup in ATS) counts as one part, so your trailer has 4 parts (or 3 points of articulation, aside of the kingpin of the front trailer - it can only have 2)

Reason why there are more parts allowed in ATS is, that triple trailers consisting of 3 short trailers coupled with 2 dollies exist in the game.

 

Because of this rule, only possible combinations of 3 actual trailers in ETS2 (at least something that is sensible) are B-triple combination (like the one on your first pic), or B-double with added short 2-axle drawbar trailer from original dobles (because that is the only drawbar trailer in the game atm).

12 minutes ago, ppabli said:

 

Now since the rules related to save-editing were updated, it is not specified if there is a maximum number of trailers that can be carried or the maximum length allowed or at least I could not find them.

That is incorrect, check above.

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A bit of a bummer you can't set the maximum lenght instead ( as are the european way of ruling ) of parts/dollies for more cool looking roadtrains. So I guess there is just no way for me to get my "4-part-trailer" to work in MP?

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15 minutes ago, Granite said:

Your trailer violates rules:

 

 §5.1 - Server Auto Kicks

Too many trailers - Using a modified trailer combination with more than 3 parts for ETS2 or 5 parts for ATS will cause the server to kick you, regardless of location on the map.

 

Explanation:

Dolly (or pup in ATS) counts as one part, so your trailer has 4 parts (or 3 points of articulation, aside of the kingpin of the front trailer - it can only have 2)

Reason why there are more parts allowed in ATS is, that triple trailers consisting of 3 short trailers coupled with 2 dollies exist in the game.

 

Because of this rule, only possible combinations of 3 actual trailers in ETS2 (at least something that is sensible) are B-triple combination (like the one on your first pic), or B-double with added short 2-axle drawbar trailer from original dobles (because that is the only drawbar trailer in the game atm).

That is incorrect, check above.

It's true you're right, thanks for clarifying it. I checked the rules related to save editing only and did not pay attention to the rest, my bad, sorry.

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@FjärrKörarN Unfortunatelly, or thankfully - take your pick, no, you can't use that under current rules.

I've found this video of a longest "roadtrain" in Europe (dunno if it still operates or holds this title, the video is quite old), but keep  in mind this isn't legal on public roads anywhere in Europe, even triples are not allowed anywhere and standard doubles only in few countries and sometimes only on certain roads. Imagine the chaos of seeing this in multiplayer, when everybody would be allowed someting like this. ?

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Granite said:

@FjärrKörarN Unfortunatelly, or thankfully - take your pick, no, you can't use that under current rules.

I've found this video of a longest "roadtrain" in Europe (dunno if it still operates or holds this title, the video is quite old), but keep  in mind this isn't legal on public roads anywhere in Europe, even triples are not allowed anywhere and standard doubles only in few countries and sometimes only on certain roads. Imagine the chaos of seeing this in multiplayer, when everybody would be allowed someting like this. ?

 

 

 

That's in Sweden, there are also ETT ( En Trave Till ) with a combined cargo weight of 90 tons up in Norrland ( still active, and been for years ). Sweden ( legal 64T, they wanna raise to 74T on BK4 roads ) and Finland ( 74T ) these kinds of things are either reality, or under tests to see how it checks out in long run - both countries allows 25,25 M combined rigid trucks with trailer behind, longer/heavier you need paperworks. This is probably the future, to expand road networks and increase roadtrain cargos for better fuelefficiency and logistics. Just a side note.

 

But that roadtrain you showed, I counted ( according to TMP way of see parts ) of 9, I'd just wish 4, or even 5 as in ATS ( to even it out I guess ) and the same rules as of now still applies, if you cant control your equipment, you know the door basically. Triples/HCT are still being missused, hell even with single trailer some drives like they shouldn't even be allowed to see how a drivers license looks like. 

 

I think it should be on the responsibilites of the player and if they missbehave, reportsystem shall still be the same. But yeah, we could just argue this with no winning side, but I just do wanna add:

 

The trailer I have, the one who is allowed online, is way clunkier than the one I built and not allowed to use. I've driven around, taking sharp turns, truly tried it out and I can tell you ( as I drive trucks IRL, 24 - 25,25m with a gross weight of 64T, and sometimes more when I feel cheeky ) I'd take the one I can't use. It's day/night diffrences. But yeah, we'd just argue for no winning idea, but the potential is there and TMP should really think about allowing 5 parts be allowed in ETS2, with the same rules applying now. I'd make way more interesting roadtrains and the punishment is still there and the same.

 

 

EDIT: Also wanna add, since if you wanna know some more about those long combined trailers. Both JULA and Scania has terminal/port - terminal driving from south to mid of Sweden with 32M long triples. And they are really building for this kind of infrastructure and network for the future, cuz most likely it is the future of truckdriving.

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@FjärrKörarN I am not trucker, but I know things are different up there, lot more is tested there too - pretty cool stuff, like steerable dollies, to get even around small roundabouts with ease, I've heard tests have started elsewhere in EU too, years ago, but I don't know about status of those tests.

 

Like you usaid, there are lot of bad drivers, and this rule is more of a safety measure, if 5 parts were allowed in ETS2, these people would slap 3 full lenght trailers (picture HCT +1 extra) together and go on a rampage to the most crowded of places.

I don't know much about save editing, I don't do it, but I have seen pretty weird trailers in-game (I don't have respect for this kind of save editing aimed only to impress with silliness), and weird behaviour of some trailers - either glitches, desync, bad save editing, or everything combined.

 

I woud't have anything against trailers that you showed, if driven sensibly, and actuallly loaded, instead of made to be virtually wightless (and glitchy) for that 110km/h 24/7, while  swerving all over the road . Too many people are already abusing what save editing rules already allow.

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