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Suggestion Name: Add support for the GTM truck mods to ATS MP.

 

Suggestion Description: Create support for the GTM truck mods.

 

Any example images: N/A

 

Why should it be added?: There are several very good reasons. Now, I know some of you TMP Staff may see this suggestion and immediately decline it, but please, hear me out.

 

I am well aware that in the past y'all have said that you will not support quite a lot of mods for various reasons. Especially stuff like truck mods. However, it's clear that things are changing in TMP. Y'all have supported ProMods for ETS2. I have some, but not a lot of, doubt that you will support ProMods Canada for ATS MP when that releases, given your partnership with ProMods now. Y'all have finally created support for Winter Mod on ATS. Y'all have done something new and are now supporting Spring Mod for ETS2. Clearly y'all are a little more interested in supporting some mods than you were in the past. So, you're probably wondering why in the world I'd bring up truck mods? Here's several very good reasons why:

 

1: For one, the GTM truck mods are no longer in active development. Haven't been for a long time. Meaning, they won't receive updates in the middle of a major game patch. Which means, they will not be made incompatible for TruckersMP until a major game update releases, but this isn't much of a worry. I'll cover why in the next two reasons.

 

2: The only time the GTM truck mods ever receive updates anymore, is for compatibility when ATS has a major game update. Eg: Going from 1.36 to 1.37, as is the current case at the time of this suggestion. However, the mods receive updates during the Open Beta phases for ATS. Why is this relevant though? A couple of reasons. One, it means that the trucks will be up-to-date and ready to go by the time the game update leaves Open Beta and is officially released. Aka, the mods will be up-to-date by the time y'all start doing your update to TMP, so y'all won't have to wait on the trucks updating. They'll be ready and waiting. Two, the author of the GTM trucks, SISL, is SCS Software Staff now. Meaning, SISL likely has access to the closed, internal betas for each update. Which means, SISL likely starts work on updating the GTM trucks for compatibility before the Open Beta phase releases. (This probably explains why they were updated for 1.37 Open Beta compatibility so fast). In other words, it's very unlikely the trucks will ever be incompatible/not updated before the game updates release and y'all start your work. TL:DR for this paragraph - Essentially, the trucks will be updated and ready to go long before y'all start work updating TMP, so there's zero issue/concern here.

 

3: The GTM trucks also have compatibility "safety". Aka, they have a version for the current game version, and another version for a newer game version (when they are updated for it), packed into the mods. It basically means that even when the game inevitably updates to a new version (Eg: 1.36 to 1.37), they will still be compatible with TMP when you downgrade your game back to the current version TMP supports, after a new game update. Eg: If they were supported right now, when 1.37 releases, and you downgrade your game back to 1.36.x to keep playing TMP, the trucks would still work in TMP. It's a little difficult to explain this to normal users, but anyone who's dug into the files of some mods will know what I mean. I'd sure hope the TMP Devs know what I mean, at the very least.

 

4: The GTM trucks are of SCS-level quality. They use a truckload (pun intended :P) of parts from the SCS trucks. For the KW T800, KW W900B, and PB 567, they all use the interior of an SCS truck. The T800 and W900B use the SCS W900 interior. The 567 uses the SCS 579 interior. And... I'm not sure about the T610, but it might use the SCS T680 interior. I don't like the T680, never drive it, so I can't say for certain, but given the other three GTM trucks use SCS interiors, I'd imagine the T610 does as well. They also use the engines (including stock SCS sounds) and transmissions from the SCS trucks for their respective brands/models. The T800 and W900B use the SCS W900 engines/transmissions. The 567 uses the SCS 579 engines/transmissions. The T610 is a bit different though in that aspect. It uses a Euro engine and only has two transmissions. The trucks use a lot of the customization parts from SCS trucks as well. Honestly, the GTM trucks are like, 90% SCS parts, 10% custom parts. Because of this, they are not performance killers like a lot of other truck mods are. They're no worse than the SCS trucks in terms of game performance. But I'm sure you're getting the idea by now, so moving on.

 

5: This one is probably the most important point to make out of all the others, will be a hefty read, and a kinda chunky paragraph count. So strap in: There are a few pretty commonly voiced reasons of why people don't really play ATS MP right now. One of those is that there just isn't enough players on it, so other people don't want to play, because of the largely empty roads. This issue is an oxymoron though, and could be solved very easily, but that's for an entirely different discussion. Some don't play ATS MP because there's a "lack" of map size/map content when compared to ETS2. However, the one reason I'm talking about, the reason why I'm trying my absolute best to make a convincing argument to suggest supporting the GTM trucks, is that some players find the lack of truck models/brands in ATS, to be very off-putting. The game is extremely limited right now in terms of trucks. We all know that SCS are trying their hardest to secure more licensing and get more trucks in the game, but we all also know it will take quite a while before ATS has anywhere near the amount and diversity of trucks that ETS2 has.

 

TruckersMP Devs and Higher Staff, please listen to me very carefully. I know I've given y'all an extremely hard time in the past, but please put aside any grievances you may have with me over it, for just this moment, and take these words to heart: You guys, TruckersMP, are in a very unique position. You are literally the only multiplayer mod out there right now for ATS and ETS2. You have an utterly massive community. As I'm sure you're more than well aware, ATS is less popular than ETS2. ETS2 has a ton of users playing it on both MP and SP. ATS is still relatively new compared to ETS2. ATS is lacking content, and while that is being remedied by SCS, it's being done, expectedly, kinda slowly. However, you, TruckersMP, can help out ATS in a much, much shorter time-frame. There are clearly people who want to play ATS MP, but are turned off of it for one reason or another. You have a unique opportunity to help ATS grow more, through mostly eliminating one reason as to why people don't play ATS MP. And that opportunity is through supporting the GTM truck mods. I can only imagine that they would likely be super low maintenance once support is created (I'm fairly sure creating support to begin with is the hardest part here), given their halted development, but active compatibility updates. Which is next-to-no difference in how the development of the weather mods you currently support are maintained/updated. And in supporting the GTM truck mods, you add 4 new trucks to the game, to add more variety to the game while SCS does their thing.

 

Please. I implore you to think hard on this. Think of the good that you can do for ATS as a game, for the ATS MP community, who, and yes I'm bringing this up here, a fair amount of feel neglected by you, whether they've publicly voiced that feeling or kept it to themselves. You can do some major good here, to help out a game that is struggling on TMP. Please, please, take a serious consideration here for supporting the GTM truck mods. Show ATS a little love and compassion. Give it a little nudge, help it along a little by adding a little more variety to the available trucks in the game, with the GTM truck mods. If there was ever any perfect candidate for truck mods to be added to TMP, it would be the GTM trucks, as they're in a fairly unique position themselves. Their "development" situation is identical to that of the weather mods you're supporting, they're fairly popular truck mods, and they are of such an unparalleled level of quality, with no hit to performance, that one could easily mistake them as having been made by SCS themselves and having been part of the game from the beginning.

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On 4/2/2020 at 2:58 PM, Sanguinem Luna said:

Suggestion Name: Add support for the GTM truck mods to ATS MP.

 

Suggestion Description: Create support for the GTM truck mods.

 

Any example images: N/A

 

Why should it be added?: There are several very good reasons. Now, I know some of you TMP Staff may see this suggestion and immediately decline it, but please, hear me out.

 

I am well aware that in the past y'all have said that you will not support quite a lot of mods for various reasons. Especially stuff like truck mods. However, it's clear that things are changing in TMP. Y'all have supported ProMods for ETS2. I have some, but not a lot of, doubt that you will support ProMods Canada for ATS MP when that releases, given your partnership with ProMods now. Y'all have finally created support for Winter Mod on ATS. Y'all have done something new and are now supporting Spring Mod for ETS2. Clearly y'all are a little more interested in supporting some mods than you were in the past. So, you're probably wondering why in the world I'd bring up truck mods? Here's several very good reasons why:

 

1: For one, the GTM truck mods are no longer in active development. Haven't been for a long time. Meaning, they won't receive updates in the middle of a major game patch. Which means, they will not be made incompatible for TruckersMP until a major game update releases, but this isn't much of a worry. I'll cover why in the next two reasons.

 

2: The only time the GTM truck mods ever receive updates anymore, is for compatibility when ATS has a major game update. Eg: Going from 1.36 to 1.37, as is the current case at the time of this suggestion. However, the mods receive updates during the Open Beta phases for ATS. Why is this relevant though? A couple of reasons. One, it means that the trucks will be up-to-date and ready to go by the time the game update leaves Open Beta and is officially released. Aka, the mods will be up-to-date by the time y'all start doing your update to TMP, so y'all won't have to wait on the trucks updating. They'll be ready and waiting. Two, the author of the GTM trucks, SISL, is SCS Software Staff now. Meaning, SISL likely has access to the closed, internal betas for each update. Which means, SISL likely starts work on updating the GTM trucks for compatibility before the Open Beta phase releases. (This probably explains why they were updated for 1.37 Open Beta compatibility so fast). In other words, it's very unlikely the trucks will ever be incompatible/not updated before the game updates release and y'all start your work. TL:DR for this paragraph - Essentially, the trucks will be updated and ready to go long before y'all start work updating TMP, so there's zero issue/concern here.

 

3: The GTM trucks also have compatibility "safety". Aka, they have a version for the current game version, and another version for a newer game version (when they are updated for it), packed into the mods. It basically means that even when the game inevitably updates to a new version (Eg: 1.36 to 1.37), they will still be compatible with TMP when you downgrade your game back to the current version TMP supports, after a new game update. Eg: If they were supported right now, when 1.37 releases, and you downgrade your game back to 1.36.x to keep playing TMP, the trucks would still work in TMP. It's a little difficult to explain this to normal users, but anyone who's dug into the files of some mods will know what I mean. I'd sure hope the TMP Devs know what I mean, at the very least.

 

4: The GTM trucks are of SCS-level quality. They use a truckload (pun intended :P) of parts from the SCS trucks. For the KW T800, KW W900B, and PB 567, they all use the interior of an SCS truck. The T800 and W900B use the SCS W900 interior. The 567 uses the SCS 579 interior. And... I'm not sure about the T610, but it might use the SCS T680 interior. I don't like the T680, never drive it, so I can't say for certain, but given the other three GTM trucks use SCS interiors, I'd imagine the T610 does as well. They also use the engines (including stock SCS sounds) and transmissions from the SCS trucks for their respective brands/models. The T800 and W900B use the SCS W900 engines/transmissions. The 567 uses the SCS 579 engines/transmissions. The T610 is a bit different though in that aspect. It uses a Euro engine and only has two transmissions. The trucks use a lot of the customization parts from SCS trucks as well. Honestly, the GTM trucks are like, 90% SCS parts, 10% custom parts. Because of this, they are not performance killers like a lot of other truck mods are. They're no worse than the SCS trucks in terms of game performance. But I'm sure you're getting the idea by now, so moving on.

 

5: This one is probably the most important point to make out of all the others, will be a hefty read, and a kinda chunky paragraph count. So strap in: There are a few pretty commonly voiced reasons of why people don't really play ATS MP right now. One of those is that there just isn't enough players on it, so other people don't want to play, because of the largely empty roads. This issue is an oxymoron though, and could be solved very easily, but that's for an entirely different discussion. Some don't play ATS MP because there's a "lack" of map size/map content when compared to ETS2However, the one reason I'm talking about, the reason why I'm trying my absolute best to make a convincing argument to suggest supporting the GTM trucks, is that some players find the lack of truck models/brands in ATS, to be very off-putting. The game is extremely limited right now in terms of trucks. We all know that SCS are trying their hardest to secure more licensing and get more trucks in the game, but we all also know it will take quite a while before ATS has anywhere near the amount and diversity of trucks that ETS2 has.

 

TruckersMP Devs and Higher Staff, please listen to me very carefully. I know I've given y'all an extremely hard time in the past, but please put aside any grievances you may have with me over it, for just this moment, and take these words to heart: You guys, TruckersMP, are in a very unique position. You are literally the only multiplayer mod out there right now for ATS and ETS2. You have an utterly massive community. As I'm sure you're more than well aware, ATS is less popular than ETS2. ETS2 has a ton of users playing it on both MP and SP. ATS is still relatively new compared to ETS2. ATS is lacking content, and while that is being remedied by SCS, it's being done, expectedly, kinda slowly. However, you, TruckersMP, can help out ATS in a much, much shorter time-frame. There are clearly people who want to play ATS MP, but are turned off of it for one reason or another. You have a unique opportunity to help ATS grow more, through mostly eliminating one reason as to why people don't play ATS MP. And that opportunity is through supporting the GTM truck mods. I can only imagine that they would likely be super low maintenance once support is created (I'm fairly sure creating support to begin with is the hardest part here), given their halted development, but active compatibility updates. Which is next-to-no difference in how the development of the weather mods you currently support are maintained/updated. And in supporting the GTM truck mods, you add 4 new trucks to the game, to add more variety to the game while SCS does their thing.

 

Please. I implore you to think hard on this. Think of the good that you can do for ATS as a game, for the ATS MP community, who, and yes I'm bringing this up here, a fair amount of feel neglected by you, whether they've publicly voiced that feeling or kept it to themselves. You can do some major good here, to help out a game that is struggling on TMP. Please, please, take a serious consideration here for supporting the GTM truck mods. Show ATS a little love and compassion. Give it a little nudge, help it along a little by adding a little more variety to the available trucks in the game, with the GTM truck mods. If there was ever any perfect candidate for truck mods to be added to TMP, it would be the GTM trucks, as they're in a fairly unique position themselves. Their "development" situation is identical to that of the weather mods you're supporting, they're fairly popular truck mods, and they are of such an unparalleled level of quality, with no hit to performance, that one could easily mistake them as having been made by SCS themselves and having been part of the game from the beginning.

Interested in seeing a picture of this GTM truck.I support the idea but it's unlikely it Will be added.The decisiom is up to the devs

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Hey,

 

GTM's trucks have not been updated since October 2020 on the workshop. Similarly, the only fixes I can find are from 2 years ago.

 

We have to be absolutely sure when adding mods that they will be actively updated, by the original authors, for the foreseeable future. There is just too much risk associated with the majority of mods to do this, ProMods is a different story as we have a direct link with their team and their leadership, and was the culmination of a long partnership project.

 

We do want to support mods, ETS2 is nothing without mods, but we just have to very careful and considerate how we do it. 

 

 

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