_simplymagic_ Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 It's kinda strange to put it into a game, but I don't really have a problem with it, this is a community, and if some people are different, just accept that Jesus, there's no point arguing on this topic, let people feel and be free to express their character and their preferred gender. With that said I'll remain silent about this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodpeacker Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Good idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glada_Laxen Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 hour ago, MrG721 said: First of all 1. National flags represent group of the people living in the same country and they are patriotic symbols, an LGBT player from Sweden has the national flag which is the national flag of the Sweden. 2. Other than sexual identity, rainbow flag doesn't represent any nation, you said it represent peace and love, but for the large portion of the society it represents political resistance. 3. The Gay/Lesbian kingdom is the product of group people that were decided to disobey Constitution and laws of Australia, kingdoms weren't recognized by any country thus they were illegitimate. So your argument is invalid. You are messing national flag with the flag that doesn't represent any nation, all national flags has Code of Conduct and members of the nation has to follow and respect their national flag, waving with different flag and requesting something that isn't in the Constitution is political resistance, also when you wave with different flag, claim new nationality and piece of land it might be seen as separatism. Those are all political layers, it's not all about "peace and love" There are many flags that has swastika on it, before swastika was demonized by 3rd Reich, swastika was and it's still symbol of the good luck and prosperity and for the people from entire Asia as well Slavic people it is still symbol of the prosperity. Do we need flags with swastika in the game? No? Why? Because there is still huge political disagreement on this topic. Same goes for the rainbow flag. I'm having an issue of understanding why it is so important for you to push rainbow flag in the game when there is a clearly huge disagreement across the globe on this topic. If you are so concerned about human rights and you are willing to fight for it, then I suggest you to look up for an example in Saudi Arabia where women actually has less human rights than LGBT members in Europe, and people are publicly stoned to death or beheaded. For those who think that topic will be closed because of us who have different opinion, it is always like that in their minds. Topic will be closed this way or another, having different opinion is not the reason nor having different opinion is sin. The reason is that topic has political layers but some people refuse to acknowledge. For the end My opinion is that we don't need content that is political sensitive, it can raise a lot of requests that can bring more trouble than benefit to developers. There are many things wrong in this world, but that's for another discussion, this thread is not about Saudi Arabia or such. But what political disagreement regarding the rainbow flag do you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrG721 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Glada_Laxen said: There are many things wrong in this world, but that's for another discussion, this thread is not about Saudi Arabia or such. But what political disagreement regarding the rainbow flag do you speak of? You can't neglect violation of human rights on the one side of the globe and in the same time advocate for the human rights on the other side, that is called double standards and it is the same discussion. You mentioned those gay/lesbian kingdoms, rainbow flag was the flag of that/those kingdoms, if you didn't understood that those imaginary kingdoms were product of political protest therefore disagreement between Constitution of Australia and group of people that were demanding changes of the Constitution, and just to remind you that Constitution represent sovereign state and opinion of the majority of the citizens of that state. It was political clash, you can't enforce something into Constitution without referendum and opinion of the remaining citizens. I think I was clear enough so far, we agreed that we disagree, so accept my disagreement. P.S-Never in my life experienced that someone contacted me via private message, telling me that I didn't wrote why I voted "No" like I have to explain my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glada_Laxen Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 @MrG721 I think it would be more neglecting to disallow people to wield a flag to represent human rights, no matter where they are if it's in real life or in virtual. But thanks for your input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrG721 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 @Glada_Laxen You're welcome. What you think which is more neglecting is only what you think, women in Saudi Arabia are disallowed to drive car and much more, but seems nobody cares for that. Imagine Saudi women truck driver. Human rights are same for all people across the globe, no cherry picking etc era. Over and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabbi. Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 why not, it´s good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glada_Laxen Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 @MrG721 I am well aware of the situation in countries like Saudi Arabia and other places and I wish there was more someone could do to help that, but that is for another discussion and not in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[S.PLH]Warrior Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Well should be interesting imo, players do have the freedom too apply certain flag on there truck, however putting that flag in MP might be different thing. As we all know we have worldwide player base, so some players might it find okay while others react differently even offensive towards the players. Anyway lets see first what SCS has too say about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droshe Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 I think that its a good idea, but in multiplayer there can be players that can be triggered and harm other trucks. So I am neutral about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 If this does get put in-people who act offensively to the players with the flag can very easily get banned. Also @MrG721, it is a flag. It is not a weapon, it is not inappropriate content, it is not hate speech and it should not affect anybody. This forum seriously isn't a place to argue about politics which have very little to do with adding a multi-colored flag to a game/simulator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohammad Afzooni Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Hello What kind of suggestion do you have in the forum? Do you have these conditions? You will be sure to be answered Good time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abhishek712 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 I simply think that this flag does not belong in a national flags DLC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glada_Laxen Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 @abhishek712 Neither does the SCS and World of Trucks flag, but they are in the National Windows Flags DLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucy* Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Wow, It's a really fresh topic to discuss. I think this topic could be a good one to everyone. But I also think enough time should be given to SCS, and of course, to all of our MP members to get a best result. (* It's really difficult to pick up one. Needless to say, I'm still thinking... I'm not sure yet which one I should select.) And I think maybe you could be a pioneer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glada_Laxen Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 @Lucy* Yeah, I made a suggestion at SCS Forums but it required you to add a poll so I fear there may be too many homophobes that vote no and that SCS are too afraid to see past that. Sure some people vote no for legitimate reasons, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrG721 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 On 8/13/2018 at 12:14 AM, S p a r k i e said: If this does get put in-people who act offensively to the players with the flag can very easily get banned. Also @MrG721, it is a flag. It is not a weapon, it is not inappropriate content, it is not hate speech and it should not affect anybody. This forum seriously isn't a place to argue about politics which have very little to do with adding a multi-colored flag to a game/simulator. Other than that I said that it is a flag that doesn't represent any nation as it was suggested in opening post, but likely political movement. "weapon, inappropriate content, hate speech" are your made up words that you are attempting to align with my disagreement. Seriously, accept my disagreement and stop pushing your agenda, bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 that would be nice if you ask me why not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexy's Fox Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Hello, This can be a good idea for the flag, but, i think, in multiplayer, this can be a bad idea, maybe the users who use this flag, can recieve free insults about this... I'm reluctant for the multiplayer... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Un passé lourd, une longue histoire, un vécu toujours existant avec la tête haute de nos jours. Avoir une vie comme un développeur, et ne vivre que de sa passion pour rendre heureux les autres, n'est qu'une activité banale pour n'importe qui. Si l'on veut écouter les autres, dans nos rêves, nos envies, on peut toujours avoir de l'aide, mais il ne faut jamais écouter les mauvaises langues de bois. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D0MINO Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Maybe, but other people will not agree. "The taller they stand, the harder they fall" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glada_Laxen Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 6 hours ago, Realsim.fr Lexy said: Hello, This can be a good idea for the flag, but, i think, in multiplayer, this can be a bad idea, maybe the users who use this flag, can recieve free insults about this... I'm reluctant for the multiplayer... If people are going to be homophobic and will only show it if this becomes reality then I'm more for it. Get those kind of toxic people out of this mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[VIVA] Adam_C_F1 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Good idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexy's Fox Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 15 hours ago, Glada_Laxen said: If people are going to be homophobic and will only show it if this becomes reality then I'm more for it. Get those kind of toxic people out of this mod. I agree with you. I'm not homophobic, and i'm ok for this suggestion, this doesn't disturb me. I fear, the insults, or the behavior of the homophobic guys can be more hard, because theses users can see this "flag" and after insults.. This ask can be post, repost, we can happen at the same reply : the problem can be the behavior of the homophobics. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Un passé lourd, une longue histoire, un vécu toujours existant avec la tête haute de nos jours. Avoir une vie comme un développeur, et ne vivre que de sa passion pour rendre heureux les autres, n'est qu'une activité banale pour n'importe qui. Si l'on veut écouter les autres, dans nos rêves, nos envies, on peut toujours avoir de l'aide, mais il ne faut jamais écouter les mauvaises langues de bois. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dziada Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 I don't mind the LGBT community, however I don't think that it should be made a National Window Flag. The name, national, implies country, and there is no country with a rainbow flag. Wouldn't mind it being in the game however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuckchuck Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 @Glada_Laxen I think it is a good idea, as some people might just want to express who they are. They don't have to make it political. Also, some people might just want a rainbow flag haha. Overall, this is a good idea as some games also have this flag within them, so why not ETS2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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