Don't ban people who insult admins permanantly

[TrademarkGamer]

Suggestion Name: Don't ban people who insult admins permanantly

Suggestion Description: Don't ban people who insult admins permanantly

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Why should it be added?: Why should people get perm banned for insulting admins when they get 1 or 2 days for insulting a normal user? It just seems odd to me.

[Penguin]

The question here I think is that should there be a higher punishment for insulting authority.

 

The admins are in charge of the game, like it or not, that is how it is  For those who wish to insult those who make a decision they do not agree with, then the player has a problem with authority. Obviously, anyone would be pretty upset when they get told off / banned, however it's how the player shows their maturity and how they handle it should be taken into consideration.

 

Personally, I think that players should not be banned if they are just 'annoyed' at an admin's decision and in the heat of the moment react to it and insult the admin, however those who are either repeat offenders or those focused on harassing the administration, should in my opinion, be punished. I do agree, however that it should not be a permanent ban, as the user can use the ban time to reflect and mature, and permanent bans would not be fair unless for serious / persistent offenders.

 

Just my opinion

[Djinsomnia]

Trademark, 

 

Think of it this way, IF you were ever arrested by the police and you resisted hurled abuse and so on you would expect to recieve a harder punishment for that so why would it be any different on here?

[TrademarkGamer]

@Djinsomnia I don't agree with that in the real world either so why would I agree with it here?

Edited September 15, 2016 by TrademarkGamer

[Djinsomnia]

Maybe not but it the reality of this world. Also the age rating both of ETS2 & ATS is 3+ meaning family friendly / Steam is 13+, which also means family friendly 

[TrademarkGamer]

^That doesn't mean it has to be a perm ban

[Leff12345]

I do actually agree with your point there, Trademark that it can seem a bit unfair and so on. But then it's all the other arguments defending that which kinda leaves me in the middle of this, so I've mixed thoughts and opinions about this.

 

But talking about principles, I think your point is valid and should be considered when bans/reports are taken action on in that area, and it would be unfair to do what is done now. But then again, it has kinda been a thing that insulting or whatever a higher authority of yours is not going to end better if you were to insult a normal person, or a normal player in this case. As it has turned into something natural in a way when talking to either people or authorities.

 

So to wrap up my statements, I don't completely agree, nor disagree with you, but I think I can say that I lean more over to your side, rather than the other one, stating the opposite

[Alv4s0r]

You start understand this when you Will have Real problém .... recognize law enforcement officers is the Biggest problem around the world

[Creatured]

@TrademarkGamer depending on the severity of the insult a ban will be issued a user can extend his ban due to insulting in the proof or the appeal the extension always goes through a VPM/PM or CM though.

[TrademarkGamer]

I do understand that this is a real world problem that law enforcement face as I aim to be a police officer when I am 18 (two years) this however, is not the real world and people can not resist arrest arrest, also someone resisting arrest WOULD NOT get a life sentence they might get a community service order.

[Penguin]

@TrademarkGamer OK, Community Service orders cannot happen in MP for obvious reasons... So someone insults an admin, how long would you ban them for? (If you were an admin)

[TrademarkGamer]

Yes I know they can't I was just using it as an example cos other people were trying to relate it to the real world so. If it was me I'd give them the same as I would a normal user so like maybe a day - a week depending on the severity of the insult.

[_Pingu_]

i agree here i  dont think it should a perm ban for insulting admins becuase in the end there are pretty much have the same level of respect as any other players. Also i remember that a admin told me the banning system is the same for everybody and that all the rules apply to everybody clearly not i think it should just be 1-2 days and not a perm ban becuase thats just unfair. Also some cheeky admins dont sign in to the admin board so they look like any other player so any person that think they are normal players will get a perm ban

 

 

BTW admins you do a great job keep it up 

[Penguin]

@TrademarkGamer Fair enough. But would this be enough of a deterrent to stop this from happening again? No-one deserves to be insulted, however as admins have to do this job every day, they really do not deserve to get abused and insulted when working.

 

P.S. Congratulations on your 1000th post

[_Pingu_]

anyway if you were to insult a police officer you would be given a 2 warnings and also admins are not law enforcers they are just players that enforce rules and ban them to a required level 

[TrademarkGamer]

LOL Thanks. Police officers get abused every day when working to keep their communities safe and these people as I said only get community service which is as stated above not possible in this game 

[stilldre1976]

All about respect at the end of the day.

 

am sure if that person manned up and said sorry to said admin the perm would be removed I would think.

[Guest]

Hey , If you have the audacity to insult somebody then you obviously have bad intentions for that player.. I just dont understand why this has been suggested... At the end of the day , the admins are there to do their job and to be quite honest it can be annoying being insulted by someone... Or is that just me?

 

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[Interstate Nomad]

Hello,

 

Insults are disrespectful. Always.

 

Rules were made to ensure a respectful, friendly, peaceful and enjoyable environment for everybody.

We all agreed to stick to the rules when we joined this community.

 

If a player does not even show respect to administrators, who volunteer to spend time in order to preserve this environment for the common good, the player deserves to receive harsher consequences.

 

~ Joao

[Seasons]

Agree with harsher consequences but not a perma ban especially if it's their first offence. 1 month should be enough of a deterrence as criminal contempt of court doesnt even carry a life sentence 

[Guest]

You must remember that it is their game and their rules, paragraph above the box you tick on the rules.  

 

Every country has a different law to insulting police. 

 

Tbh, I don't see the need to insult the admins at all, if you're upset, just express why you're upset but I don't get why people go berserk at admins and ask to be banned permanently.  Would you like to be talked to like that? I guess no so why do others talk to others like that. 

[KaizerNO]

On 15.9.2016 at 7:57 PM, Penguin said:

The question here I think is that should there be a higher punishment for insulting authority.

 

The admins are in charge of the game, like it or not, that is how it is  For those who wish to insult those who make a decision they do not agree with, then the player has a problem with authority. Obviously, anyone would be pretty upset when they get told off / banned, however it's how the player shows their maturity and how they handle it should be taken into consideration.

They are in charge yes, but they are a normal human being like us too which in theory means that we share the same equality and rights as they do. In other words we have the right to express our feelings, ideas and thoughts in a non-insulting way without getting kicked or banned. By other means you have freedom of speech. Altough, insulting someone doesn't necessarily mean that you have to swear. Insulting can be done to a certain degree, but that means you will have to find the right words in order to not insult (but still insult ) without the other person not feeling threathened, bullied or teased.

 

And yes the admins of course need a bit more power than we do and automatically gets that with the option to kick or ban someone. That being said if we all had the option to kick or ban someone, then there would be equality, but also anarchism.

 

For those who didn't know what rights you have here are some rights everyone have which also exist in truckersmp (take truckersmp into consideration for certain words):

•   We are all free and equal. We are all born free. We all have our own thoughts and ideas. We should all be treated in the same way.
•   Don’t discriminate. These rights belong to everybody, whatever our differences.
•   We all have the same right to use the law. I am a person just like you!
•   We are all protected by the law. The law is the same for everyone. It must treat us all fairly.
•   Fair treatment by fair courts. We can all ask for the law to help us when we are not treated fairly.
•   No unfair detainment. Nobody has the right to put us in prison without a good reason and keep us there, or to send us away from our country.
•   Innocent until proven guilty. Nobody should be blamed for doing something until it is proven. When people say we did a bad thing we have the right to show it is not true.
•   Free to say what you want. We all have the right to make up our own minds, to think what we like, to say what we think, and to share our ideas with other people.
•   The right to democracy. We all have the right to take part in the government of our country. Every grown-up should be allowed to choose their own leaders.
•   Nobody can take away these rights and freedoms from us.

Source

 

 

 

 

Edited September 19, 2016 by Captain Kermit

[Half Blood Prince]

Why would you insult to admin who is trying to make things better ? To what end ? + Most of the bans modifying to time limited again. So .....

[Itztopcat-Sica]

1. IMHO, players should not get permanently banned by insulting an Admin, but it dependson how the player is insulting, for instance; using terrible vulgar language against family, dad, mom OR religion should not be tolerated and must be IP banned from all servers. Players like these should not play multiplayer games. 

 

2. Trolling against Admins or Project leaders; We are all on cyber, this means everybody has its keyboard and monitor; however, there is always that guy who is trolling and doing stupid stuff like everybody else does, if you read  this, you did this aswell because on a cyber platform like this nobody is brave. But the conclusion is to temporary ban players with such bad behaviour as mentioned above.

 

3. Vulgar language against others; Yes, admins are in the higher grade than normal truckers, but there is alot salty people around us, this means that everyone that using vulgar laguage should be suspended if reported for their actions.

 

 

[Cyrusj]

@Captain Kermit You are correct, you have those rights.

 

But when you downloaded this mod, or made an account here, you had to agree to our rules.

 

On that same list of rules you can find:

"Administrators reserve the right to kick or ban you from the Truckers MP servers at any point if needed. We ask that if you are banned that you create a ban appeal and not private message any member of the staff team. We don't delete a user's account at the request of. We can only perm ban him."

 

I put the relevant information in bold. So it is our right to place and enforce any rules we see necessary.