Real Speed-Limit-Tickets

[[WT] Riddick]

Hi,

i am from Germany, so sorry for my English

 

Suggestion Name: Real Speed-Limit-Tickets

Suggestion Description: If you`re driving to fast, and the speed limiters flash you, you get ticket to pay, but also a Point for a speed ticket. Making many Tickets, you get a Ban for 1 day (example)

Any example images: No

Why should it be added?: The most drivers on the ETSMP are driving the alowed maximum speed on the roads. All of them have enough money to pay the tickets, so it doesn`t matter how often the get flashed by the speed limiter. My idea is, make a point system to slow down and realise the game into real life.

Example: The maximum point for 1 day (24h) are 12 points. Someone drives into the speed limiter an get the bill on the navi. also he get a info text "1:12 points reached for this day". So he knows, oops, i must take care, when i want play for a longer time. If someone reached 12 points, he get automatic ban for 24h (example). 

 

I think, that this way will get slow down many drivers like in real time. we all have enough money to pay the bill, but we want not stop driving. so we take care of speed limiter, slow down, and drive smoother.

Also, it will be near at the real life, where i get points, too

 

You can also add infos in front of the speed limiter to see them faster and can slow the truck. (like in germany highways)

 

Daniel

[FernandoCR [ESP]]

It won't work with how the game is right now. Simply, because people can disable all fines. They can go as fast as they want in front of a speed camera and they'll never get a ticket. The only way to make this work would be an enforced setting for the "police" parameter, like the max speed limiter in some of the servers, so even if you disable fines in your game client, they would be enabled globally by the server. But I don't know if this can be done and even if it could, it isn't a priority, so sorry, but it's a -1 from me.

[_.Queen Rosalie._]

this wouldn't work at all with the current game, A) because people can disable fines, B)because money and ticketing are client based things, it would have to be all made server based which will only happen when ETS2 finally stops being updated and MPP can add an economy to ETS2 where this can be integrated at best, then again, most people don't worry about cameras or fines because most have 100s of bucks to spend so can afford to speed even if you make the tickets real price, wouldn't make a difference, only to the little guy who has legit cash and a small amount at that, so -1

[legocube]

bans for speeding? why? yes, i know what you'll say, but then how about banning people for going on red lights? or on the wrong side of the road. ticket system is fine, in game admins already have enough work to do, why give them more with the ban appeals what come with this?

as long as you don't cause accidents.. don't think is necessary. on the highway i go from 90 to 110 most of the times, when someone tries to pass me i slow down, same thing on small roads, even on them i slow down when i see someone on the gps coming from other lane, you never know what he does, or what lane is on. i record my gameplay and if he/she crashes into me i report them and be on my way. 

[Scar]

No bans for speeding please. Agree it's a simulator, but it's also still a game...

As long as players don't cause crashes by speeding, it's good for me.

 

Don't undertand me wrong, I'm against speedhacking, reckless driving and racing, but I think it's fine driving the max speed if you can control your truck.

[_.Queen Rosalie._]

^so is it okay for people to inadvertently race away from the lights? because ive done it a few times, especially if someone is lagging around, I DO NOT want to follow that, no sirry bob, ive had enough crashes because of people lagging around, even when ive been over 100M behind them.

 

But back on topic here, although a eventual system where if you break the rules, instead of bans and lengthy reports, people get fined and points (much like IRL) after so many infringements youre effectively banned for good, that would be kinda cool, but also would have to be regulated super hard to make sure that its either not being abused or people are being wrongfully accused of stuff, this sort of thing will be a lonnngggg time coming though, for now the system works and works well, so why change it? it can be frustrating when you get deliberate idiots out there who just want to either wreck you or don't care about others at all, like a guy in santa cruz in ATSMP who decided he was going to turn left at the lights when I was in front of him as we climb the hil and ran me into oncoming lanes before deciding to straight up and turn right instead, but it happens, so just record and report it when you can.

Edited March 16, 2016 by FirestarteR93
Removed quote from the post above

[The Imaginative Lad]

Plus Speed cameras in this game are in unrealistic locations. For example, on a motorway in ets 2 (UK) the speed suddenly reduces from 70mph to 50mph or even as low as 30mph. Some of these I encounter are not there due to roadworks but are actually permanently there.

 

I set cruise control to 81mph. To reduce my speed on a bend to 30mph will cause me to crash (centrifugal forces). There is also a bridge (Might be near Grimsby) that has a 50mph camera on it but it is a nice straight road which I again set my cruise control to 81mph (or decide to plant my foot to the floor  ). I can handle my speed and have never had a crash which was my fault with another player. Yes I have crashed due to the other player not obeying rules, but who hasn't experience players not going by the rules.

 

Now red lights on the other hand I believe should be a bannable offence (like the no headlights offence is kick/ban), yet running red lights is worse, especially in populated areas.

[legocube]

why is worse if i dont cause accidents or other trouble? on this logic we will remain 10 ppl on the servers(not to sound harsh but that's the conclusion)(not using headlights is like intentionally ramming.)

as for megadethsteve666 about the lag... in 20+ people zone i have 8 fps, bummer. slow down or pass me. it's still a game, not real life. as i said before, record and report if what they do caused an accident or big trouble.

each of us is responsable for what we do(see videos of people intentionally ramming others)

[_.Queen Rosalie._]

^im just wondering, when did I mention lag?  but im sorry but a system like this, although great in theory, will just have too many issues and loop holes as well as the fact that not everyone wants to drive at the exact road limit, which  is fair enough, why should people be forced in a game to drive at a certain speed when theres no traffic around them, especially on speed regulated servers where the max is 68MPH so if someone is "speeding" on these servers, then they deserve a ban because theyre hacking the game to go faster than the server limits, but if its a case of, go over the road limit and you get ticketed, then it will get tiresome, annoying and people would just rather play SP because that's exactly what you have to do there anyway.

[Guest]

as long as you can control your truck and dont damage other trucks it doesnt matter how fast you drive! only if you are using speed hacks then you should get banned 

[Kazuma]

This is the best idea i have ever read on this wonderful forum! I hope one day you will be apart of the development team so you can support them with your awesome ideas!

On 2016. 03. 15. at 11:17 PM, CKOD1 said:

. If someone reached 12 points, he get automatic ban for 24h (example). 

Lets ban the players who turned their speedlimiter off

[SUBARU DF]

if they want to walk with the limiter and so go to europe server 1 it is with the limiter 110km
I understand your arguments more servers will not change.

[Penguin]

On 16/03/2016 at 8:09 AM, scarface0359 said:

No bans for speeding please. Agree it's a simulator, but it's also still a game...

As long as players don't cause crashes by speeding, it's good for me.

 

Don't undertand me wrong, I'm against speedhacking, reckless driving and racing, but I think it's fine driving the max speed if you can control your truck.

 

This was EXACTLY what I was about to post.

 

I will quite happily sit my Volvo at 90-100mph (On empty motorways) with no trailer, however I always slow down to a reasonable speed if I feel it will affect my ability to control my truck.

I am always in full control of my truck, therefore I feel that speed limits should not be enforced.

[_.Queen Rosalie._]

^that's the thing, I too will happily cruise at 70+MPH in my Volvo, but if I feel the turns are too sharp for that speed, then ill push the brakes, most people make the mistake of either going too fast around a turn or steer too sharply for the turn and the speed, I find if youre going too fast, to tap the brakes and let the steering relax to a more shallow angle, you may take the turn wide, but it stops you rolling if you make a bad judgement on your speeds.

[Newfr]

Actually this and red light traffic offence really rise a question what is a purpose of ETS2MP? I personally don't see a point playing it without roleplaying (truck driver roleplaying sounds weird but still). So i obey EVERY rule: i don't go over speed limits, don't drive on red light, use turning lights even if no one around and so on. I just don't see a point playing otherwise. Like what's the point playing trucking sim in MP and not following traffic rules? For me it's like playing airplane sim and just crashing into the ground on purpose just after take off. Why do that?

I get that we all different and have our own ideas about how to play, but i'm personally will be glad to see a server where all that is a must. But without server economy that is impossible (even if you force tickets people still can edit save data for money and don't care about fines).

[Norbi]

On 2016. 07. 19. at 1:33 PM, Newfr said:

Like what's the point playing trucking sim in MP and not following traffic rules? For me it's like playing airplane sim and just crashing into the ground on purpose just after take off. Why do that?

 

Exactly.

 

What's the point in playing a simulator game if you can do anything to piss off others and ruin their game?

 

Also I can't really understand the argument that admins are too busy. Implementing this feature would make their life easier so they don't have to review RLJ and speeding reports. I would even go further with this by handing out different malus points for different offences like 1 point for speeding, 1 point for driving without the lights on, 2 points for red light jumping, 6 points for driving the wrong way.

Edited August 6, 2016 by Norbi
Fixed a typo.

[FernandoCR [ESP]]

RLJ and speeding are not bannable, so admins don't look into reports regarding those. Only if you cause an accident/crash because of RLJ or speeding, and that would be treated as ramming or reckless driving. And if those things are not bannable ingame, you can't enforce a system that bans people automatically for speeding or running red lights. I play "role-style" too, keeping the speed below the limits, stopping at red lights etc. and I don't like seeing so many people dissobeying those traffic rules, but they are just that, traffic-rules, not game-rules, so I'm OK with that as long as they don't hit my truck.

[Norbi]

 

1 hour ago, FernandoCR said:

RLJ and speeding are not bannable, so admins don't look into reports regarding those. Only if you cause an accident/crash because of RLJ or speeding, and that would be treated as ramming or reckless driving. And if those things are not bannable ingame, you can't enforce a system that bans people automatically for speeding or running red lights. 

 

Nobody wants to ban anybody because of RLJ or speeding. We're only suggesting that if you make several offences you should be punished for them.

 

You can really divert this conversation and talk about how the rules are being enforced today but that's not the point. Game servers are quiet these days because everbody being on a vacation but once the France DLC will be released and Steam Holiday Sales begin they will be crowded and trolls will appear again and it would be nice to have a solution until then which stops them.

 

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and I don't like seeing so many people dissobeying those traffic rules, but they are just that, traffic-rules, not game-rules, so I'm OK with that as long as they don't hit my truck.

 

So it really doesn't bother you if it's not happening with you. That's just nice!

[FernandoCR [ESP]]

7 hours ago, Norbi said:

Nobody wants to ban anybody because of RLJ or speeding. We're only suggesting that if you make several offences you should be punished for them.

I think that's quite self-contradictory. No bans, so how would you punish those offenders? And why is it different to run a red light without causing any problems from running 10 red lights without causing any problems? Rules are clear about this, you wont be banned for running a red light as long as you don't interfere with other players' gameplay. If you cause an accident and the other player sends a report, you can be banned. There are lots of traffic lights that make no sense, as they are stopping traffic in roads/streets that have only one way to go (and I still stop at those, but lots of players don't). Speeding in a no-speed-limit server can be dangerous, but I've been overtaken hundreds of times while driving 80 Km/h by players that where going a lot faster, I don't see a problem in that if the overtaking is clean. Even in the speed limited servers I am constantly overtaken by players driving 110 Km/h and it's the same thing, if they overtake cleanly, no problem, if they crash with my truck they'll be reported for reckless driving. Period.

 

7 hours ago, Norbi said:

So it really doesn't bother you if it's not happening with you. That's just nice!

Of course it doesn't. If it's happening to me, I'll handle it by recording and reporting. I can do that, anyone can.

[kaisercharly]

Sounds gud, would like to see it.

[Norbi]

We're clearly not on the same page, so let me explain.

 

ETS2 has it's own client-side ticketing system just like it has speed-limiter, spawning system and its own in-game economy. While developers are forcing some of those to be enabled they can also force this in-game ticketing system to be enabled if you connect to a server with speed limits and stuff. For fun servers this can be off but it's a different topic. If you want to bypass this client-side you can do it but you should be aware that you can also bypass the built-in speed limiter which is a bannable offence. Connect the dots.

 

So the basics of the system we're suggesting are already in place. What's the next step? Extend this with an ability to hand out points for each offence and if a driver collects a certain amount ban him for 1 day. If he collects more, ban him for 3 days than 7 days, than a month, and so on...

 

Of course points can even expire so for example you jump a red light because you don't want to emergency-brake your points would expire after a week or so. These things mentioned are not as hard to implement as it seems and keeping tabs on each driver is easy too as you only want to store the last few offenses.

 

There's a huge difference between what I've just described here and what you are saying about how banning people for reckless driving would be inaccurate.  (TLDR; you wouldn't be banned if you mostly obey the rules but you would build a bad reputation if you always drive around the map like a race driver).

 

I cannot emphasize the fact more that it's a simulation game and role playing is also part of the simulation. In real life you wouldn't drive 20-40t consists with the speed of 110km/h anywhere and you wouldn't drive without lights on, against oncoming traffic and so on. That's important.

 

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Of course it doesn't. If it's happening to me, I'll handle it by recording and reporting. I can do that, anyone can.

 

So you are some kind of future teller who knows that someone will ram you when you try to cross an intersection so you are instantly firing up your screen recorder? Or you are recording each and every trip of yours and storing 100GBs of raw videos just in case something happens? I have a very decent machine but if I turn on screen recording in crowded areas my framerates are dropping and soft-lag comes and I bet that there are many like me who won't even launch a screen recording software because of that. How they can report such misbehaving drivers?

 

[[ S.PLH ] Warrior]

@Norbi so how will it work if you can simply disable the police in config ? that way you won't even receive tickets.

also SCS has added multiple settings in-game too disable offenses, so how is the system going too check and enforce it ?

 

[Norbi]

@FlyingDutchman you can also disable the speed-limiter the same way. How do you enforce that currently? I'm not an admin or developer so how do I know?

[[ S.PLH ] Warrior]

@Norbi is that a trick question  ? currently is speed limiter is code in mp, so if you drive on eu1 no mater if you disabled or enabled speed limit in setting the server will force you too drive 90

for eu2 there is no code in limit, so you can basically drive full throttle    

 

anyway as for a proper ticket system this will be difficult 

 

[FernandoCR [ESP]]

3 hours ago, Norbi said:

So you are some kind of future teller who knows that someone will ram you when you try to cross an intersection so you are instantly firing up your screen recorder? Or you are recording each and every trip of yours and storing 100GBs of raw videos just in case something happens? I have a very decent machine but if I turn on screen recording in crowded areas my framerates are dropping and soft-lag comes and I bet that there are many like me who won't even launch a screen recording software because of that. How they can report such misbehaving drivers?

I don't need to read the future or record every trip, just hitting a hotkey gets the thing done, I'm driving, some other player rams my truck, hotkey, last 2 minutes of gameplay recorded on video, nVidia Shadowplay or OBS allow this. There are lots of players here using this feature. Shadowplay is available with any nVidia GPU series 600 or higher, so you don't need a NASA computer to run it. so like I said: recording and reporting. I can do that, anyone can.