Money4Customization = Free2Play Philosophy

[Gorkal1ty]

Suggestion Name

Money4Customization = Free2Play Philosophy

Suggestion Description:
Take some visual mods into MP so players can pay X ammount of money to unlock some visual accesories/paintjobs which make them exclussive, unique. For example:

- Paintjobs, easy to do, hard to crash, not heavy, and with huge custom options for drivers and companies.

- Accesories, like 50keda´s or others, which allow a lot of custom parts and wont crash too much.

- Interiors, shouldnt be loaded by server to avoid crashes/lag... though

- Sounds, lots of Kriechbaum´s sounds are still working in my pc a lot of months ago.

Any example (games):
Nowadays lots of Free To Play game sell visual customization and make huge ammount of money from players.

Why should it be added?:
- This "Premium Features" have nothing to do with gameplay or "advantages", just customization.

- Lots of modders will agree to see their job shared this way to improve the MP.
- Paintjobs / Accesories Mods are usually compatible with new updates.
- Players will pay to make their truck look more unique and exclusive.
- The income will take care of Server maintenance and improvements.
- Devs will take a well deserved beer for free while coding : P

Difficulties:

- Any server-side data-base would be needed to store all those players who paid´s IDs. I suppose this is in progress to reach the BETA and economy system, but in this case is a clear investment. I miss a lot of info. about this.

- "Mods can cause Lag". Well, decide which mods can be first to try (not heavy ones) and that´s all.

 

I hope it´s well understood. This is the last time I try to explain something which will make Dev-Team get far, cause money may not be priority, but it´s well needed right now, and a couple of events to promote donations it´s not enough.

[Gorkal1ty]

Plus if they do start charging etc i reckon alot of people will leave

Leave because of... what? You can still play the same way as you´re doing right now. Do you really read what´s about to pay for? No one would pay for playing or any gameplay feature...

[outstandinggamer]

This isn't even their game and I pretty sure scs wouldn't like anyone selling mods. And mod developers would not like people selling their mods and earning money from it either. This would be a legal problem for the mp team. I don't think this is even a game that this is needed for anyways.

[Gorkal1ty]

This isn't even their game and I pretty sure scs wouldn't like anyone selling mods. And mod developers would not like people selling their mods and earning money from it either. This would be a legal problem for the mp team. I don't think this is even a game that this is needed for anyways.

I respect the "Legal stuff" but it´s all about negociating with modders and that´s all.

SCS wont be agree if the MP makes some mods exclusive for their MP Mod but they´re selling 70% of their actual sells thanks to them and taking 100% of that income. Is that justice? Im not sure SCS wouldnt allow it...

[Tandre]

MP is pretty much going to stay free forever - Mods/devs have said it ages ago )

 

Plus if they do start charging etc i reckon alot of people will leave

People didn´t leave when SCS released DLC´s you had to pay for .    

I think the idea is exelent, but SCS will make it unable, those assholes don´t like the MP mod att all. It was a shame to see RootKiller go to the other side

[outstandinggamer]

those assholes don´t like the MP mod att all. It was a shame to see RootKiller go to the other side

Whaaaat where did you hear that scs didn't like the mp mod. Yeah they never said they supported it in an official statement but they did help fix something in a sp patch once maybe a few other times i don't know about.

[Gorkal1ty]

I think the idea is exelent, but SCS will make it unable, those assholes don´t like the MP mod att all.

I´m agree with you, I dont care who´s asshole or not, but... I know quite a lot of situations like:

Original Game´s Developer <-- No relationship --> Mod Developer = Selling Mod

In this case could be:

SCS Software <-- No relationship --> MP Team (Free2Play Mod) <-- Buy/Sell --> Mod Developer´s Work

[Tandre]

Whaaaat where did you hear that scs didn't like the mp mod. Yeah they never said they supported it in an official statement but they did help fix something in a sp patch once maybe a few other times i don't know about.

As they don´t trust the devs at all... They don´t help them, they don´t co-operate... Even if ets2mp has given them maybe 100k copies sold.

They worked together in Scandinavia DLC tho...

[Guest]

Im sorry I think this is a horrible idea, -1... Do I really need to explain why. Paying for mods always, always goes wrong. Skyrim and the steam workshop disaster is a good example. While I respect the view points which you are coming from here about the whole its going to raise the devs money and stuff and also how it does not give anyone an unfair advantage I simply do not think it will happen without the majority of people being happy. Also legal reasons could be a problem and actually a lot of mod makers want there stuff to be free anyway. So overall I do not think it is possible however if it could work I would be overall rather unhappy if it got added and I think a lot of other people would agree with me however I do see what your saying but -1 for me.

[Gorkal1ty]

Im sorry I think this is a horrible idea, -1... Do I really need to explain why. Paying for mods always, always goes wrong. Skyrim and the steam workshop disaster is a good example. While I respect the view points which you are coming from here about the whole its going to raise the devs money and stuff and also how it does not give anyone an unfair advantage I simply do not think it will happen without the majority of people being happy. Also legal reasons could be a problem and actually a lot of mod makers want there stuff to be free anyway. So overall I do not think it is possible however if it could work I would be overall rather unhappy if it got added and I think a lot of other people would agree with me however I do see what your saying but -1 for me.

The problem is this must not be seen as "You paid for mods", cause that seems to become a market for mod makers and for players asking for that or this mod to pay for it and use it in-game.

This is about making an arrangement with some modders (or even MP Team like they´re doing with the car!) to make some "Exclusive stuff" in the game which is not now. Think of the car! What if Dev-Team make that "Civil Car" Exclusive for users who donate X money? Isnt it legal or logic? Just a new feature to make people who want to try it pay a donation. Now apply that to some skins and truck customization, it sounds quite different from your point in my opinion...

[Guest]

I'm well aware it is about an arrangement with modders or possibly the MP team making mods, however I still feel it won't work for the simple reason of the fact its going to cause conflict between people. Some groups of people are not going to be happy if you donate you will get a skin made by the MP team for example and some people will be over the moon with something like that. My fear is that it would cause arguements like the old speedlimiter debate caused arguements but that came to a resolve.

 

So maybe there might be another way around this. Maybe you should be rewarded with a skin for example from the devs (Or another non-advantageous cosmetic item again for example) after playing for X amount of time, for example you have now played MP for 50 hours, Feel free to take this reward! And then maybe at 100 hours you have now played MP for 100 hours, have this reward! Where the donating thing comes into play here is sort of a fast track to get the reward, so the reward would have to be something quite unique, something worth donating towards or working towards. So this idea could work however there should be another way to eventually get it, it should not just be completly exclusive to people who donate.

 

However, maybe there should be a perk to donating but a cosmetic non-advantageous product is not the way fowards, I am not too sure what else could be added in instead of this. Even if it is something small like a donator chat in game and on the forums where donators could talk privately away from people who have not donated or something similar along these lines. Im sure there is proberly a way to implement some sort of reward for donating but these are just a few ideas I kind of came up with right here on the spot. And a side note I know the Skyrim Steam Workshop thing was a bad example and implied I was on about some sort of mod exchange or something similar it was the first thing which came to my head. I know this was a long post but hopefully this will spark a few more ideas.

 

EDIT: In short yes maybe a perk to donating could be good, just not a skin or a non-advantageous cosmetic product or anything else among these lines as this will more than likely create conflict between people.

[b4NLM0nsterenegy]

-1 you must realise that when i drive in mp with a dlc skin and i come acros some one else on the road and they DONT have the dlc paint skin pack they only see the color of the truck right out the truck dealer. so it will not work unles you say that everey body need to buy all the paint job dlc packs.

[Guest]

Firstly, have you actually read the other suggestions I had because you have not exactly expressed it in the above post. Personally, I am aware you can not see the DLC paint jobs if you do not have the DLC but I feel this is also rather unfair. Everybody should be able to atleast see the skins of other trucks but not use them if they do not have the DLC. I know the dev's can't do anything about this due to reasons with the law etc. This is why I do not think that a paint job or indeed a cosmetic would do any good. You should be able to see how somebody wants to present there truck not what not having the DLC presents the truck. This is the problem with paintjobs and any cosmetic items. However a donator chat for example would be much more fair and is the reason I added this suggestion.

[b4NLM0nsterenegy]

i didnt read your post cause it was posted when i was typing my post

[Guest]

Lol fair enough

[Unkeyboardinated]

Im not too fond of this idea sorry im going to say -1 for this.

[S2020]

You CAN NOT gain money over a commercial product that does not belong you ... 

 

MP can only gain money by donating and can not give extra privilages in game for donating...

 

That's how legal it gets...

[Sunort]

sorry mate but -1. If MP start to launch this type of skin customization, people will divide into "premiun users" and this will take the "free2play" role, like "pay to have fun and use the coolest things". I don´t think that´s what MP needs..

 

Greetings

[Tandre]

sorry mate but -1. If MP start to launch this type of skin customization, people will divide into "premiun users" and this will take the "free2play" role, like "pay to have fun and use the coolest things". I don´t think that´s what MP needs..

 

Greetings

 Nope, i don´t think you know what free to play means... I´d call hay day free to play even if i can buy extra stuff. 

[Neves768]

This will turn it into "pay to customize", but this is a great idea for VTC implementation (if you modify some things). You can think on a VTC system which you can send your own paintjob of your company (if you is the owner)?  ;D

 

+1 if the devs like the idea of turn the game into "pay to customize"

-1  because it needs someone to create the models/paintjobs and will make the ets2mp bigger in file size.

TOTAL: 0 - My comment isn't about approving or disapproving

[Stumbl65]

if it can be done legally , +1 , from me.

A little ( or a lot ) of extra cash can only make the service better.

[III-Sidekick-III]

SCS forbids to charge for mods. Some ppl still do it, but its still against the rules. Also this is a mod not a f2p title. Bad idea -1

[Gorkal1ty]

sorry mate but -1. If MP start to launch this type of skin customization, people will divide into "premiun users" and this will take the "free2play" role, like "pay to have fun and use the coolest things". I don´t think that´s what MP needs..

 

Greetings

So you mean we cant have fun without those skins? Have you ever played War Thunder? I have the same fun without paying for some texts in my wings. I think you did so. : /

SCS forbids to charge for mods. Some ppl still do it, but its still against the rules. Also this is a mod not a f2p title. Bad idea -1

Is this real? Who wants to forbid someone for being able to ask for some money or not about their own work? I´ve seen lots of truck / trailer private mods (paid mods) which seem not to be illegal or against any rule (if so, they would´ve been punished or closed) and as I said, lots of other games have paid mods. In case what you´ve said it´s true, then there´s no way out, sure.

[III-Sidekick-III]

So you mean we cant have fun without those skins? Have you ever played War Thunder? I have the same fun without paying for some texts in my wings. I think you did so. : /

Is this real? Who wants to forbid someone for being able to ask for some money or not about their own work? I´ve seen lots of truck / trailer private mods (paid mods) which seem not to be illegal or against any rule (if so, they would´ve been punished or closed) and as I said, lots of other games have paid mods. In case what you´ve said it´s true, then there´s no way out, sure.

It is forbidden. Read the EULA. SCS doesnt do anything because its a very very small market. Also it violates copyright if you sell a "Mercedes or Scania" truck. I've seen plenty of truck mods that you have to pay for. And could you show me "many other" games that support paid modding. Before you say anything. Every racing-sim that supports modding doesn't count.

Who want to forbid paid mods? Thats a pretty dumb question. If I made a game that supports paid mods i'd take at least 30% from your profit and if you have any copyright issues then thats your problem not mine. 

[AirevielRetired]

Some of you people seriously need to educate yourselves before you speak.

 

I actually like the idea, but only if its not made mandatory, and If it's optional. Meaning (You can request custom skins and an additional installer could be made available for those who want to see the different skins/mods. It would be installed seperate from the main MP installer.) but I think it would be better for MP devs to port the game to a newer engine and use different skins. Thus making the mod their own game. Afterall, porting the game would mean manual migration to a new engine, thus further making the code new, and their own. They're already half way there! (That's just IMO.)

 

Secondly, coming from someone with 8 years study experience in contract law, please stop talking out of your ass about eulas and everything else. Those circumstances are widely disputible should they ever reach a court-room hearing. Which is highly unlikely... SCS would loose so much money if the MP crew packed up tomorrow and quit. Lets face facts, ETS2 is nothing without MP, and its in SCS best interest to currently work with the devs of this mod. Nobody can deny gamers are buying this simulator specificially for multiplayer entertainment.

 

Thirdly, as a programmer, mod/game dev (not for ets). Skins are not required by servers, and they are only required by the clients. If the server is configured to show custom skins, and knows how to parse the information of different skins, then the client will interperate which skin the user will see based on the skins installed by the user of the client. If the user does not have the skin, he/she will see the skin as a default type for the template it represents. Atleast, thats how I've always made custom skins work on games I've worked with. If the ETSMP server works, differently, then the devs need to change how that works on their client/servers.