Can going slow be considered Reckless Driving in some scenarios?

[ρσlуαяηу]

 

 

Ok the title is not everything i want to talk about. Theres more to cover, starting off:

- In the last 2 weeks I've got this feeling that most drivers purposefully slow in a exaggerated way, maybe it's just me because I dont remember people driving this slow

the point of this is: can going slow be really harmful for others? maybe its heavy cargo, maybe its the truck or people wanting realism but i've seen some people with 310 hp engines and 60 tons load, what do u guys think about this? I think doing this can create some traffic jam in the way some people who want to overtake might end up making collisions, it's not like 110 kmh is needed at all times but i've seen fast enough trucks with normal trailers going at 60 all the time, im guessing theyre respecting the speed limit of C-D, but 60 is way too slow (ik this is not a racing game) ik its meant to be realistic, but lets speak facts here, trucks don't go 60 kmh all the time irl, they will mostly be up to 80-90 atleast where I live and i bet its like that in europe too, I've seen loads of collisions and bans due to the slow people, now if someone wants heavy cargo in C-D thats not the place for it, ProMods server exists for some reason and if they dont have DLCs, alpine road exists aswell, now what i think heavy cargo users should do is put blinkers and give a little bit of space for them to be overtaken, 2nd option would be stop being reckless with 310 bhp iveco and actually pick something meant for that heavy cargo, tail-gaters is also related to this but.. why do u guys think most people want to go at 60 kmh all the time purposefully (no matter what the case is) and create potential crashes?

[ρσlуαяηу]

Another thing that triggers is that when a traffic light turns green, none will move and they take a lot of time to atleast try to accelerate, just why? are they doing something else at the same time of playing? they shouldn't be playing at all then...

[WestlyTMP]

1 hour ago, User_5473085 said:

 

 

Ok the title is not everything i want to talk about. Theres more to cover, starting off:

- In the last 2 weeks I've got this feeling that most drivers purposefully slow in a exaggerated way, maybe it's just me because I dont remember people driving this slow

the point of this is: can going slow be really harmful for others? maybe its heavy cargo, maybe its the truck or people wanting realism but i've seen some people with 310 hp engines and 60 tons load, what do u guys think about this? I think doing this can create some traffic jam in the way some people who want to overtake might end up making collisions, it's not like 110 kmh is needed at all times but i've seen fast enough trucks with normal trailers going at 60 all the time, im guessing theyre respecting the speed limit of C-D, but 60 is way too slow (ik this is not a racing game) ik its meant to be realistic, but lets speak facts here, trucks don't go 60 kmh all the time irl, they will mostly be up to 80-90 atleast where I live and i bet its like that in europe too, I've seen loads of collisions and bans due to the slow people, now if someone wants heavy cargo in C-D thats not the place for it, ProMods server exists for some reason and if they dont have DLCs, alpine road exists aswell, now what i think heavy cargo users should do is put blinkers and give a little bit of space for them to be overtaken, 2nd option would be stop being reckless with 310 bhp iveco and actually pick something meant for that heavy cargo, tail-gaters is also related to this but.. why do u guys think most people want to go at 60 kmh all the time purposefully (no matter what the case is) and create potential crashes?

Good Evening, 

 

I would count as one of those players who like to go about the speed limit on the C-D Road. The reason why I like it is because it gives me the feeling of realism while driving on the C-D. It's not fun going 110 KM/H every time just to get to Cal or Duis.
You made some points about it creating traffic jams, and I am not saying you are wrong in any way, but you would have traffic jams even with slow drivers. The servers normally peak at 4200 players daily, and most players being on the CD Route wouldn't check the traffic, as the real reason for the traffic would be the train located after the gas station on the CD Route heading east to Duisburg. Also, that gas station people come out and in create that traffic issues as well, but realistic traffic jams would create any way due to crashes, people lagging, and so on. 

 

And, yes, it is true trucks don't go 60 KM/H all the time, but that depends on what the person is actually carrying; if it's liquid, then weight transfers from side to side when driving. Heavy cargo has a big centre of mass, meaning if you turn too much with a lot of speed, the load and your truck will flip on the side, so there is another reason why people then drive slower with heavy cargo and liquid cargo. 

 

It always depends on what they are carrying and what truck they have really.

 

49 minutes ago, User_5473085 said:

Another thing that triggers is that when a traffic light turns green, none will move and they take a lot of time to atleast try to accelerate, just why? are they doing something else at the same time of playing? they shouldn't be playing at all then...

 

People might be tabbed out during those lights or just on their phone, or they might have a slow reaction time; it depends on what's going on in their life at that moment. You can't expect people to have perfect reaction time; we are humans and all different; some people might have slower reaction time, some faster. Really depends. And after all, this is a game and shouldn't really be taken seriously. People may play this to relax or just enjoy their free time. 

[P h o e n i x]

In my experience, the majority of crashes (aside from actual mistakes) are caused by people attempting to overtake at the absolute worst times possible (85% of which is on the C-D road), regardless of what speed the truck (or trucks...) ahead of them is going or if there's even a truck coming the other way.

100kmh isn't enough for some people, it's all about "getting the overtake" for them regardless of how little sense it might make.

Behind that, its people who do full speed around every corner and expect the truck or car to just not have any issues and as such aren't even prepared for what happens.

 

As for people doing the speed limits, it can't be considered reckless driving because its the actions of other players around them (such as doing 110kmh on a 60kmh road and overtaking at inappropriate times) that are reckless.

If they only do 60kmh when there's people behind them and speed up as the other players try to pass, then its considered blocking.

 

With the people who don't go at green lights...I suppose that's where the game gets a little too realistic

 

Keep in mind, everyone enjoys games in different ways and changing the way players drive would never fix the C-D road

[ρσlуαяηу]

Hello

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The servers normally peak at 4200 Players daily and most players being on the C-D Route

 

I almost never play at server peak as it's just stressful, I always play on the nighttime with server less than 1000 people, free way and still the slowness issues.

 

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Also, that gas station people come out and in create that traffic issues as well but, realistic traffic jams would create any ways due to crashes, people lagging and so on. 

 

One of the exact reasons i never touch TMP when the servers have over 2000 people, I like to relax at 90-110 kmh going C-D as many times as i can in my free time but theres still slowness everywhere and out of gas stations and train (I actually never complain about train) 

 

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And, yes it is true trucks don't go 60 KM/H all the time but that depends on what the person is actually carrying, if it's liquid then weight transfers from side to side when driving. Heavy Cargo has a big centre of mass meaning if you turn too much with a lot of speed the load and your truck will flip on the side

 

Could go normally 90+ and slowy brake when a turn is approaching down to 60, idrc if its a turn bc i understand them.

 

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People might be tabbed out during those lights or just on their phone or they might have a slow reaction time

 

Completely agree

[ρσlуαяηу]

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the majority of crashes (aside from actual mistakes) are caused by people attempting to overtake at the absolute worst times possible 

Classic people not knowning what the map is and overtaking then going into the grass, thats normal idiotness, I keep myself under my limits, I do a lot of things u mention except i actually check the map and see if someone is coming before overtaking, it's just getting a right timing, having the impulse to overtake. 

 

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As for people doing the speed limits, it can't be considered reckless driving because its the actions of other players around them (such as doing 110kmh on a 60kmh road and overtaking at inappropriate times) that are reckless.

 

True, as long the driver going slow is one of these people who pick a 310 bhp with train 60 ton load (so annoying and no point), If i get asked what to remove from TMP if i could it'd be that combo

 

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Keep in mind, everyone enjoys games in different ways and changing the way players drive would never fix the C-D road 

 

Yeah its impossible, i just like to vent myself a little bit here, its late and im bored here.

[WestlyTMP]

2 minutes ago, User_5473085 said:

I almost never play at server peak as it's just stressful, I always play on the nighttime with server less than 1000 people, free way and still the slowness issues.

I honestly understand why you would; again, people enjoy the game differently, and some people enjoy the chaos, and so on.

 

4 minutes ago, User_5473085 said:

Could go normally 90+ and slowy brake when a turn is approaching down to 60, idrc if its a turn bc i understand them.

Well, again, it matters what you are carrying for cargo, but if you are a good driver and know how to take turns, as some people don't and they end up flipping over. So I'm glad that you understand them, but it still doesn't change the fact that it depends on the cargo people are carrying; some people might be very unexperienced in carrying cargo and don't understand they understand they are heavier in the back than the front. 

[ρσlуαяηу]

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 some people enjoy the chaos, and so on.

 

I rarely see someone enjoyning C-D chaos , everyone honks and in everyone chat seems to be mad and spamming rec ban

[WestlyTMP]

6 minutes ago, User_5473085 said:

 

I rarely see someone enjoyning C-D chaos , everyone honks and in everyone chat seems to be mad and spamming rec ban

 

I hate that you are so right about that  but some people still enjoy it and some it's like 0.1% of people including me

 

[Mixterium]

As game moderators we encourage players to follow the posted speedlimit (not the server speed limit), as this creates the safest environment for all of us. It gives time for players to react to unforseen circumstances (i.e. a truck lagging in front of you, crashes or reckless overtakers). It is even mentioned in our rules that we expect players to follow real life laws and speeding can be a factor when issuing punishments for rule violations.
So we encourage players to follow the speedlimit (yes, even 60). As a real life truck driver, we would never go 90 in a 60 zone. The 60 zone is posted for a reason and going 90 in a 60 would make you lose your license right away if caught. It is important to note, that it is a simulation game. So the speedlimits are based on the real life equivalent of the stretch of road or based on that country’s road laws. So 60 is posted because if it was real life it would have been a 60 kmh zone.

 

From my experience as a game moderator, I can only say that the players following the posted speedlimit are not the dangerous players. Players overtaking with 110 no matter what it takes and no matter how busy that road is - they are the dangerous players. They are the ones causing the issues and causing all the major traffic jams and crashes. "But if everyone was going 100-110 then we wouldn't have to overtake!" is the worst reason ever to encourage players to speed - especially on Simulation servers. They are called simulation servers for a reason. CD road is not made for going that fast - going that fast will only cause more accidents and trucks tipping over. Players will still try to overtake a truck going 100 if they are going 110 themselves. This will only create even more dangerous situations.

 

Again; We encourage players to stick to the posted speed limit. That is WAY safer than going 100-110. You might not think it's just as a fun, but safety is more important than 110 kmh fun when it comes to CD road. So stick to the posted speedlimit and keep a safe distance. It will create less chaos and crashes on CD road. Do NOT encourage players to speed up just because you are bored and can't be bothered to go to an open stetch of road to test out your driving skills without causing danger to other players.

 

Driving the speedlimit can not be considered reckless on its own. Driving 30 kmh because you are hauling a 60t locomotive with a 310hp Iveco can in some cases be considered Blocking and we do issue punishments for that when it is considered as such.

 

The main issue with CD road is, that everyone wants to do CD, but no one has the patience to do CD. 

[If Its Itchy,Just Scratch]

Reading this Thread here, let me thinking about to Stream my Driving live to Youtube. Because i am always driving within the Truck Speedlimits by Map! I extend this Limit to +5 kph above, which means 55/65/75/85, depending on Country and Road. Another point which was mentioned, the Driving Physics. I have all my Driving Physics set to Realistic and my Brakes to 80%! Depending on the Cargo, the Speed can be for me much slower than for People with all Stability Sliders to Maximum.

 

As long TruckersMP not forcing the Same Physic Settings for all Players, the Chaos on the Road will not going down, and the Number of Reports will not decrease! In fact, with my Settings, 70% of the Daily C-D Drivers were not able to leave the Company Area, with their Fresh Shiny loaded Cargo, without flipping the Truck over!

 

Just be Fair and Polite! Just Pick a Truck (Chassis, Engine, Gearbox) that met the required Specs for the Cargo that you want to haul and drive as fast as the Speedlimits by Map and Driving Physics allowing! An, if you are able to acclerate Faster than the Truck in Front with his Heavy Cargo, then be Patient and wait for a Safe Window to Overtake.

 

 

[Zhang Cheng]

Dear @User_5473085,
It's great to see you here.

 

Driving slowly is not generally considered reckless driving, but there are situations where it can cause problems. Here are some common scenarios and tips to help you avoid being mistaken for reckless driving:
Rules of the Road: In TruckersMP, it is very important to obey the rules and signs of the road. Even if you are driving slowly, make sure your driving speed does not interfere with other players' normal driving. If you drive at a very low speed on a highway, you may be seen as an obstruction to other players.
Traffic flow: In busy areas, such as city centers or on major roads, driving slowly can cause traffic jams. If your speed is much lower than the average speed of the road, you may cause resentment from other players and may even be reported.
Reports and Penalties: If you are reported by another player for reckless driving, the administrator will review the report. If you're simply driving slowly because of a technical issue or in-game difficulty, there's usually no penalty, but frequent slow driving may be seen as blocking traffic, especially in places where slow driving isn't appropriate.
Player Behavior: Maintaining good communication and understanding with other players is important. If you're driving slowly due to network issues or other reasons, try using the in-game chat to explain the situation, which can reduce misunderstandings and arguments.

sincere regards
Zhang Cheng

 

[Guest]

Yes in some cases in highly populated areas with single roads might consider as a reckless driving.

[KittyYiouo]

On 7/30/2024 at 11:43 PM, 'Mix said:

hauling a 60t locomotive with a 310hp Iveco

Average players at Kirkenes Quarry on ProMods server be like:

22 hours ago, Zhang Cheng said:

make sure your driving speed does not interfere with other players' normal driving

This! 

 

If I wanna drive the posted limit for semi trucks on freeway sometimes (outside of the Calais - Duisburg area ofc), I always make sure there are more than 1 lane in each direction, and I'll use the middle or right lane, leaving the far left lane for those "forza players" to pass

[KittyYiouo]

On 7/31/2024 at 7:02 PM, If Its Itchy,Just Scratch said:

if you are able to acclerate Faster than the Truck in Front with his Heavy Cargo, then be Patient and wait for a Safe Window to Overtake

I don't really overtake them, unless they lagging really hard or they literally just ... crawling (usually they aren't just crawling in most cases)

On 7/30/2024 at 10:54 PM, User_5473085 said:

who pick a 310 bhp with train 60 ton load (so annoying and no point)

They could've just added some sort of "filters" in the job dispatcher and refuse to make a job when a player's cab hp is much lower than the minimum threshold (they can set one on their discretion)

[KittyYiouo]

On 7/30/2024 at 10:46 PM, User_5473085 said:

Could go normally 90+ and slowy brake when a turn is approaching down to 60

For me I usually just go 90-95, then depending on the sharpness of a turn, i either brake gently(usually to like <= 75) or just hold the clutch to coast in advance(usually to around 80) without even touching the brake pedal

[[R S L] BADER (TMP)]

Yes, slow driving can be considered reckless in some scenarios. For example:

 

 1. **On highways:** If you drive too slowly on a highway where the speed limit is high, this may confuse other drivers and increase the risk of accidents.

 

 2. **In crowded areas:** Excessively slow driving in areas where drivers expect a certain speed may lead to traffic congestion, causing frustration and stress on other drivers.

 

 3. **When passing curves or intersections:** If you drive too slowly in these areas, this may affect other drivers’ ability to correctly estimate distance and speed

[ρσlуαяηу]

Hello everyone, I am a bit late lol. 

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Driving 30 kmh because you are hauling a 60t locomotive with a 310hp Iveco can in some cases be considered Blocking and we do issue punishments for that when it is considered as such.

Yeah, It encourages other players to overtake in wrong scenarios and increase risk of accidents sometimes, what if the same thing is happening when someone is going far by below the speed limit in a highway ? Would it be reckless?

 

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So we encourage players to follow the speedlimit (yes, even 60). As a real life truck driver, we would never go 90 in a 60 zone.

That's interesting, for me the wrong thing comes when players don't let the people overtake or give any sign / way to do so, which is not punishable but it just makes a better environment for all and reduces accident risk. When I casually drive 80-90 due to heavy I let everyone pass by left blinker sign.

 

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but safety is more important than 110 kmh fun when it comes to CD road

60 is reckless for me in-game, but 110 also is in some curves, 60 might provoke others to overtake in the wrong time and cause a collisions, 110 might make driver lose control and crash, there's an average for everything and never should be too much or too low.

 

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if you are able to acclerate Faster than the Truck in Front with his Heavy Cargo, then be Patient and wait for a Safe Window to Overtake.

Usually what I do but many dont. I think you should let the others overtake by giving some space or blinker signal.

 

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Rules of the Road: In TruckersMP, it is very important to obey the rules and signs of the road. Even if you are driving slowly, make sure your driving speed does not interfere with other players' normal driving. If you drive at a very low speed on a highway, you may be seen as an obstruction to other players.
Traffic flow: In busy areas, such as city centers or on major roads, driving slowly can cause traffic jams. If your speed is much lower than the average speed of the road, you may cause resentment from other players and may even be reported.
Reports and Penalties: If you are reported by another player for reckless driving, the administrator will review the report. If you're simply driving slowly because of a technical issue or in-game difficulty, there's usually no penalty, but frequent slow driving may be seen as blocking traffic, especially in places where slow driving isn't appropriate.
Player Behavior: Maintaining good communication and understanding with other players is important. If you're driving slowly due to network issues or other reasons, try using the in-game chat to explain the situation, which can reduce misunderstandings and arguments.

I agree with everything here, an average driving speed that makes everyone happy is 80-90 as you said.

 

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For me I usually just go 90-95, then depending on the sharpness of a turn, i either brake gently(usually to like <= 75) or just hold the clutch to coast in advance(usually to around 80) without even touching the brake pedal 

 

This is the kind of behaviour / driving speed I like, it doesn't interfere with anyone and no one will see you as a road obstruction. Haven't seen anyone mad because of it.

 

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They could've just added some sort of "filters" in the job dispatcher and refuse to make a job when a player's cab hp is much lower than the minimum threshold (they can set one on their discretion)

Good suggestion, 310 hp with 60t  people must be extinct

 

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Yes, slow driving can be considered reckless in some scenarios. For example:

 

 1. **On highways:** If you drive too slowly on a highway where the speed limit is high, this may confuse other drivers and increase the risk of accidents.

 

 2. **In crowded areas:** Excessively slow driving in areas where drivers expect a certain speed may lead to traffic congestion, causing frustration and stress on other drivers.

 

 3. **When passing curves or intersections:** If you drive too slowly in these areas, this may affect other drivers’ ability to correctly estimate distance and speed 

 

3. Is the most punishable one for me, I like that some GMs actually take action for it.

 

I like seeing everyones opinion, thank you guys for taking the time to give a thought.

As i mentioned earlier I'm not saying all of these actions should get punishments (theres some execptions such as 310 horsep- and highway / intersection slow driving)

But it makes a greater environment for everyone and not everyone will be desesperate to overtake.

[Mixterium]

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Yeah, It encourages other players to overtake in wrong scenarios and increase risk of accidents sometimes, what if the same thing is happening when someone is going far by below the speed limit in a highway ? Would it be reckless?

It could be considered blocking. The slow, or speed limit following, driver isn't doing anything reckless - The drivers that decide to overtake when it's not safe to do so - They are the reckless ones.

 

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That's interesting, for me the wrong thing comes when players don't let the people overtake or give any sign / way to do so, which is not punishable but it just makes a better environment for all and reduces accident risk. When I casually drive 80-90 due to heavy I let everyone pass by left blinker sign.

 

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60 is reckless for me in-game, but 110 also is in some curves, 60 might provoke others to overtake in the wrong time and cause a collisions, 110 might make driver lose control and crash, there's an average for everything and never should be too much or too low.

 

These two quotes tell me one thing; You are not here for the simulation but for just going from A to B on CD road as fast as possible. As it is a simulation server we prioritise simulation and our rules are designed to priortise that - and not going from A to B in the fastest way possible. Driving the speed limit does not "encourage" or "provoke" players to violate the rules. If anything, it encourages players to follow the rules. Slow down and just breath. Take it easy and make it to their destination in one piece. The player following the speed limit is the player following our rules. Speeding can be factored in to a punishment.

 

If you feel like you want to go fast fast fast but without risking violating any of our rules, I suggest you go visit our Arcade server where Simulation is not prioritised. 

[Pinco [CH]]

I play on TMP almost always with long trailers and heavy cargo, i've seen everything, players that overtake recklessy from the left , from the right, from the top ( ok maybe no but will happen in future i believe ) but that's a little part of people, the kind of people that go on C-D without load just to speed back and forward searching for a ban. I've found a lot of good players that followed respectfully and even when pulled over they refused to pass saying that a slow truck infront made them speeding proof and more road enjoyable trips.

[Interstate Nomad]

Last time I checked (which admittedly has been a long time ago), the speed limits of certain sections of the road between Duisburg and Calais were 50, 60 and 80 km/h.

 

By driving within these limits, players reduce the risk of accidents, maintain control over their vehicles, and foster a more realistic and enjoyable simulation experience.

 

Slow driving could only be regarded as blocking, if a player restricts

"a user's travel path, blocking entrances to highways or other entry points or anything similar."

(TruckersMP Game Only rules, §2.3 - Blocking).

 

I can't imagine a situation in which slow driving fulfills the elements of reckless driving.

[Kael.]

I believe that in densely populated areas, it can be considered reckless driving, except in some cases such as heavy cargo and the like, but the driver must be aware that picking up heavy cargo with a truck with an engine inferior to that required by the load ends up hindering other players. Just like driving on a highway at a speed well below the permitted speed.

[StateCA [NL]]

It is never reckless to drive the speedlimit.

[seireinosyukufuku]

On the other hand, if you drive too slowly, it may be better to exceed the speed limit because it will cause traffic jams.

However, this is subject to traffic conditions.

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