Add to rules stream snipe

[FoxxDash]

Suggestion Name: New Rules - Stream Snipe

Suggestion Description: 

Interfering with a streamer during the game on TruckersMP servers, breaking the rules §2.2-§2.5 (optional §2.6 Interfering with the course of a convoy, if the streamer is in a convoy). Such a player will be punished with 50% additional penalty time, e.g.
1-3 ban is for example 3-12 days. Then such a ban will be 4-18 days
4 ban instead of 30 days, will be 45 days.
5 ban instead of 90 days, will be 135 days!

 

If, someone violates this point of the regulations. One could "turn a blind eye" to §1.4 related to

You can not report players with evidence that has not been taken in-game by yourself.

Only if the streamer does not know how to report such a person.

 

Any example images: -

Why should it be added?: This may reduce the fun of stream snipers when they know there are larger penalties. It may also be good for the streamer's point of view on the service that TruckersMP provides.

[Al3ksik]

I like this idea personally,

I used to livestream on TruckersMP till I started getting trolled and then I eventually stopped I would like this to be in place so I could start going Live again

[SvartWolf]

Hello @FoxxDash,

 

Upon careful consideration of this suggestion, I find it initially promising, but not personally convincing in terms of its effectiveness. To delve into the reasons, let's explore the viability of substantiating such incidents.

 

To begin with, we cannot rely on users self-identifying with tags like "TTV," "Streaming," or "Recording," as these tags could be easily exploited for obvious misuse. Furthermore, even if we were aware that a certain user is streaming during an incident, it remains uncertain whether you are the intended target of their actions via the stream. Given that there are numerous users who purposefully disregard the rules on a daily basis, certainty would only arise by formally reporting the issue via the website reporting system and supplying substantial evidence.

 

For instance, you might present a comprehensive video of your entire stream, accompanied by timestamps that highlight instances where a user seemed to be following you, irrespective of your location on the map. Nevertheless, you must also acknowledge the chance that this user might be tracking you through the TruckersMP Map rather than your live stream.

 

Which then raises another valid question: How can you validate that they are exploiting your stream to track your movements?

 

In essence, there isn't a straightforward approach to this, as merely spotting their name in your stream's chat doesn't inherently prove their intent. It could be a friend attempting to extend the punishment of a rule violator by invoking "Stream Sniping."

 

38 minutes ago, FoxxDash said:

If, someone violates this point of the regulations. One could "turn a blind eye" to §1.4 related to

You can not report players with evidence that has not been taken in-game by yourself.

Only if the streamer does not know how to report such a person.

 

Lastly, I personally wouldn't be in favor of permitting users to report others using evidence from a live-stream, as there's a potential for abuse through repetitive reporting of users from someone's stream without their approval.

 

Overall, I like the though that has gone into this suggestion, and it will undoubtedly have a range of opinions and viewpoints. However, I personally remain skeptical about the practical implementation of such a rule.

 

That being said, I'd love to see more opinions on this suggestion! 

 

[FoxxDash]

1 hour ago, SvartWolf said:

 

To begin with, we cannot rely on users self-identifying with tags like "TTV," "Streaming," or "Recording," as these tags could be easily exploited for obvious misuse. Furthermore, even if we were aware that a certain user is streaming during an incident, it remains uncertain whether you are the intended target of their actions via the stream. Given that there are numerous users who purposefully disregard the rules on a daily basis, certainty would only arise by formally reporting the issue via the website reporting system and supplying substantial evidence.

 

 

 

I meant how the same troll will disrupt the game more than 3 times, for example.

10 minutes live breaks rule §2.2 §2.4 and §2.5.
12 minutes live violates §2.3 §2.4 & §2.5
20 minutes live breaks rule §2.2
24 minutes live breaks rule §2.2-§2.5

 

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For instance, you might present a comprehensive video of your entire stream, accompanied by timestamps that highlight instances where a user seemed to be following you, irrespective of your location on the map. Nevertheless, you must also acknowledge the chance that this user might be tracking you through the TruckersMP Map rather than your live stream.

 

Here I have to agree. 
There are two options
- You could introduce an alternative nickname for streamers (streamer mode) so that they are not visible on TMP maps. 
- Add the /hide command to hide on such a map.
It would be available to all players. This command would hide players on the website (tmp, trucky, etc.).

Or in the TMP options add options. "Want to be invisible on the site. "

 

 

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Which then raises another valid question: How can you validate that they are exploiting your stream to track your movements?

You can try to change the route. If it stalks on the stream again. This will be enough evidence to take the appropriate steps.

 

if the hide option were hidden it would make it easier to detect stream snipers

 

 

 

 

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Lastly, I personally wouldn't be in favor of permitting users to report others using evidence from a live-stream, as there's a potential for abuse through repetitive reporting of users from someone's stream without their approval.

 I didn't think there would be a problem with report spam. Thank you for spotting the weakness of the ideaedit: 

 

After 2, if more people report the same person in the game/page it will have a similar effect. Or make that reports are accepted from people who play a minimum of 5 hours on your servers. 
 

[Sunstrider]

With the exception of mobile users, you don't need an account to watch a stream. Even if they are stream sniping, it's not going to show their YT/Twitch account unless they chat. Unless they clipped it, you won't know if it was a stream snipe or if they were just driving around randomly and saw you.

 

Now, if they see you and you dodge their attempts, fast travel to a town on the city side of the map and you see them again, then you know they are stream sniping.

[mth.]

Hello @FoxxDash,

 

Thanks for your suggestion! We believe all punishable behaviours are well covered by our existing rules, and thus there is no need to add additional rules specifically addressing stream sniping.

 

Therefore, we will not move forward with your idea.

 

Have a great day!

[mth.]

// Rejected